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Re: Things fundamentally wrong with yo mama

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Altair55 is not online. Altair55
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06 May 2013 06:03 PM
NOTE: WIJ is still a solid clan, and apart from the horrible trainers (i.e. nigel[numbers], igap, iceorb, and colorline) its hicom is pretty good.

-points rewarded at trainers' discretion

-generally based on 'effort' rather than legitimate skill, leadership skills, or otherwise worthwhile traits

-trainers are either too strict (no fun allowed) or not strict enough (use messages for stupid jokes in the middle of battles)

-trainers sometimes completely fail to give you your points

-hicom does stupid things like raise the amount of points needed for a promotion, doesn't demote you if you had enough for the rank before but not now

-an "sta skip list" that allows people to skip the recruitment/training process entirely for shock troopers based largely on personality and reputation rather than actual skill (see: meto02)

-punishment for stating instances of all of these things on the forums (i have a total of -8 out of my 20 cp for doing this)

-leaders are either builders, scripters, or fighters rather than actual leaders

-little regard to complaints to hicom, if you don't have a high rank on xfire forget about your problems because they certainly will

-members aren't even disciplined outside of "im gonna take points away".

-too complex progression. doing a job is completely irrelevant versus having a specific number of points for advancement

-mainframe reliant data, WIJ went into a MASSIVE panic when data persistence crashed simply because they had no other way to earn promotions

-nearly no regard for technical or basic problems with Indigo 2 (i.e. armory rarely if ever working for certain users as well as entire operating systems, raiders being invincible by hiding in the shield recharger in the WIJ armory)

WIJ is a very good clan. These are just some issues, largely to do with the abysmal point/promotion system that tries to quantify achievements. I'm saying this, as I am leaving WIJ/STA on this account for Caesar's Legion divisions and to join allied groups.

also I would have been yelled at by hicom for making this
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killerman222423 is not online. killerman222423
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06 May 2013 06:04 PM
od?
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Altair55 is not online. Altair55
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06 May 2013 06:04 PM
are you a grill
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Altair55 is not online. Altair55
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06 May 2013 06:07 PM
bump
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Arcarius is not online. Arcarius
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06 May 2013 06:08 PM
They honestly took points off you for these?
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Slayer9116 is not online. Slayer9116
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06 May 2013 06:09 PM
i dont feel like arguing this so im just going to go with the typical clan hr response:

"ALL WRONG YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE CLAN UR JUST BUTTHURT U GOT DEMOTED AND UR JUST JEALOUS OF THE PEOPLE WHO DO THINGS YOU CANT"
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fred man is not online. fred man
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06 May 2013 06:10 PM
"than legitimate skill,"


I disagree you shouldn't base someone who comes to every training tries hard but can't gun fight well or whatever you may be doing

compared to someone who

Is good at that activity only comes seldom and doesn't even try hard
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killerman222423 is not online. killerman222423
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06 May 2013 06:11 PM
no ur a girl
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Altair55 is not online. Altair55
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06 May 2013 06:12 PM
>They honestly took points off you for these?

if i still have my mainframe entry then check, lucario took 6 of my little points because i said that iceorb is a bad trainer on the forums
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basketballking001 is not online. basketballking001
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06 May 2013 06:12 PM
MopTheFloor also skipped the STA

It pisses me off so because people treat him like a god
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Altair55 is not online. Altair55
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06 May 2013 06:13 PM
i didn't get demoted though slayer, i was corporal up until i left just now and i had 9 cp. the mainframe system is laughably bad and unorganized
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Slayer9116 is not online. Slayer9116
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06 May 2013 06:13 PM
ur face is bad and unorganized
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Altair55 is not online. Altair55
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06 May 2013 06:14 PM
see but basketball, i agree that mop deserves STA skip. meto is bad though, he only got in because he left RAT FoL for WIJ
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RawrXDDDDDD is not online. RawrXDDDDDD
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06 May 2013 06:14 PM
No one cares about WIJ.
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AdvorsusDuo is not online. AdvorsusDuo
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06 May 2013 06:14 PM
i can agree with 99 percent of all this
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SpySapper is not online. SpySapper
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06 May 2013 06:15 PM
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basketballking001 is not online. basketballking001
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06 May 2013 06:15 PM
Altair

The thing is those

Mop is overrated

There are plenty of people who are extremely skilled yet overlooked in WIJ
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Voile is not online. Voile
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06 May 2013 06:16 PM
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Altair55 is not online. Altair55
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06 May 2013 06:16 PM
-voile exploits
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Slayer9116 is not online. Slayer9116
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06 May 2013 06:17 PM
voile i owned
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elite6247 is not online. elite6247
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06 May 2013 06:18 PM
You left out the "Our way or no way" attitude.
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Voile is not online. Voile
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06 May 2013 06:24 PM
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Remodeled is not online. Remodeled
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06 May 2013 06:27 PM
i could list a bunch of things wrong with wij but i dont wanna pull a jammy

~~It’s a marathon, not a sprint. Unless it is a sprint, then sprint.~~
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BerserkTurtles is not online. BerserkTurtles
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06 May 2013 06:30 PM
NOTE: WIJ is still a solid clan, and apart from the horrible trainers (i.e. nigel[numbers], igap, iceorb, and colorline) its hicom is pretty good.
> unofficial trainings need to be demolished and officers need to be good at training and do it 100% more often; maybe a training license for lr's

-points rewarded at trainers' discretion
> what

-generally based on 'effort' rather than legitimate skill, leadership skills, or otherwise worthwhile traits
> some trainers are just dumb

-trainers are either too strict (no fun allowed) or not strict enough (use messages for stupid jokes in the middle of battles)
> need major training reform

-trainers sometimes completely fail to give you your points
> ya we have some dumb people

-hicom does stupid things like raise the amount of points needed for a promotion, doesn't demote you if you had enough for the rank before but not now
> hasn't happened in like forever; i cant think of any examples

-an "sta skip list" that allows people to skip the recruitment/training process entirely for shock troopers based largely on personality and reputation rather than actual skill (see: meto02)
> need new sta rank that looks for highly skilled individuals like you

-punishment for stating instances of all of these things on the forums (i have a total of -8 out of my 20 cp for doing this)
> owen yells at me for being stupid ):

-leaders are either builders, scripters, or fighters rather than actual leaders
> officers need reform; hicom needs to do more stuff

-little regard to complaints to hicom, if you don't have a high rank on xfire forget about your problems because they certainly will
> seems legit

-members aren't even disciplined outside of "im gonna take points away".
> discipline reform

-too complex progression. doing a job is completely irrelevant versus having a specific number of points for advancement
> what

-mainframe reliant data, WIJ went into a MASSIVE panic when data persistence crashed simply because they had no other way to earn promotions
> wasnt massive at all but it would take a while to make a new guide and crap w/o cp

-nearly no regard for technical or basic problems with Indigo 2 (i.e. armory rarely if ever working for certain users as well as entire operating systems, raiders being invincible by hiding in the shield recharger in the WIJ armory)
> if the armory doesnt work for someone its their operating system
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BerserkTurtles is not online. BerserkTurtles
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06 May 2013 06:36 PM
in nutshell fixes:

- trainings should only be held by officer+ or individuals with a "training license"
- officers need to be actually active and hold trainings
- hicom needs some sort of account to listen to complaints (and q&a)
- st drafter rank that looks for certain individuals that are highly skilled to "skip" sta
- instead of -cp you get different level warnings, x amount of warnings = cp set to 0 and exile
- a basic level of obedience and discipline needs to be enforced

off the top of my head


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