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Re: You guys know why game passes exist?

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Overrwatcher2 is not online. Overrwatcher2
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04 May 2013 02:45 AM
Because YOU are killing the games industry. Used game sales are the biggest issue in the games industry, even larger than piracy.

When you buy a used game, not a single penny goes back to the developers and publishers. This forces many developers and publishers out of business. At least with game passes, the devs/publishers get a small amount of money, and you still get it slightly cheaper most of the time.

So, stop whining unless you want to see more great studios shut down.

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killercorvette is not online. killercorvette
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04 May 2013 02:50 AM
But for a game to be used, it has to have been purchased new by someone. Of course, this would mean this prevents other new sales from taking place. But, since the game is property of the buyer, they can do pretty much whatever they want to it. Same deal with someone who decides to buy a used car or a couch from a neighbor.

Don't even get me started on public libraries!

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Overrwatcher2 is not online. Overrwatcher2
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04 May 2013 03:08 AM
There's a difference between a game, a car, and a book.

A book costs a small amount of money to first create, then it's mass-published for low prices. It's easy to make a profit. Borrowing a book from a library means you have to return it some time.

A car is designed for a small bit of money, but most of the costs are in actually producing the car. Buying a used car usually is at sub-par quality. Same thing with furniture.

Games cost money to first create. A lot of money, actually. The average AAA game price has been increasing constantly, and you see games like Star Wars: The Old Republic costing $300,000,000 to make. There is absolutely no disadvantage to used games, and there's no reason not to buy them. So, people who would have otherwise bought the game new (and give money to the starving developers) instead bought it used for $10 cheaper, because there's no disadvantage to it.

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VideogameManiac is not online. VideogameManiac
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04 May 2013 03:34 AM
You're acting as if all used game sales are bad. Say if I were to go to a gaming store, and I want an old PS2 game, and there is no way to give the money to the developers for the game, and I can't be bothered to run a PS2 emulator, I'll just buy it there.

If this sort of stuff happens in the same year of the game coming out, I can see your point, but you got to think for a second that most people who buy used games don't even think about helping the developer.
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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04 May 2013 03:45 AM
60€ price tag on your average console game totally isnt the reason people look for cheaper alternatives.
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Overrwatcher2 is not online. Overrwatcher2
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04 May 2013 11:24 AM
@therealcommander

Games cost many millions of dollars to make. They won't make it back if the game costed $20, because remember that part of the price goes to making the CD itself, part of the profit goes to the retailer, part of the price goes to other distributors, and even then the measly amount that's left is split up between the devs and publishers.

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mageofpower is not online. mageofpower
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04 May 2013 11:25 AM
How are used games worse then pirated games?

Pirated games: The game devs get no money from it at any point in time.
Used Games: The game devs get money from the first person who bought it.
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LunarMare is not online. LunarMare
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04 May 2013 11:27 AM
a pirate is still a potential customer whereas a person who buys a used game would not have the incentive to buy a new copy because the used copy is just as good, assuming the disc is not damaged.
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CatFaces is not online. CatFaces
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04 May 2013 11:27 AM
@mage

like piracy would hurt big companies.
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mageofpower is not online. mageofpower
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04 May 2013 11:33 AM
like piracy would hurt big companies.

Liked used games would hurt big companies.
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CatFaces is not online. CatFaces
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04 May 2013 11:37 AM
I haven't seen a big company which went out of business because of piracy. Same with used games.
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04 May 2013 11:40 AM
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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04 May 2013 11:58 AM
@over

And people have more important things to use money on than games, if a gaming business cannot survive in this economic situation it will die, simple as that
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04 May 2013 12:00 PM
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Imafighter is not online. Imafighter
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04 May 2013 12:01 PM
@Cat

We're talking about smaller companies.
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VideogameManiac is not online. VideogameManiac
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04 May 2013 12:02 PM
@CatFaces

Company makes a high budget game

It doesn't sell well when it comes out

But it get's pirated a lot and it's used game sales are quite high

Then they go bankrupt.


This happens a lot, a recent example being THQ with Darksiders 2.
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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04 May 2013 12:04 PM
Piracy doesnt mean a loss to the company as its uncertain whether the pirate would've ever bought the product if pirating wasnt possible, same with used game sales, the actual loss of profits is very uncertain
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CatFaces is not online. CatFaces
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04 May 2013 12:14 PM
@ima Then why do I see games from bigger companies in used games shelves?
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coolmanownz is not online. coolmanownz
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04 May 2013 12:16 PM
the game had to be sold already for it to be used


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Overrwatcher2 is not online. Overrwatcher2
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04 May 2013 04:48 PM
I give up trying to reason with you guys.

Enjoy killing the used games industry, you ungrateful, selfish idiots.
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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04 May 2013 04:49 PM
we are not obligated to support the industry
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dominoes98 is not online. dominoes98
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04 May 2013 04:49 PM
piracy + used games have the potential to kill the industry

doubt it will happen any time soon though
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mageofpower is not online. mageofpower
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04 May 2013 04:50 PM
You know, if you weren't a regular forumer here I would swear this was a mediocre trolling attempt.
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meldo is not online. meldo
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04 May 2013 04:50 PM
"There is absolutely no disadvantage to used games, and there's no reason not to buy them."

The discs are generally scratched to high hell, though.

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ExplicitBass is not online. ExplicitBass
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04 May 2013 04:51 PM
There hasn't been much research put into seeing if removing used games would harm profits, considering people generally buy them because they can't afford the full priced game or the retailer shoves it in their face.
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