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| 28 Apr 2013 02:25 AM |
| In Australia gun control does not work and has only made it worse, almost everyday shootings and gun crime happens and several gun massacres have already happened, the bad guys can still buy them illegaly while the good guys/the innocent are locked into society with bad people without anything to defend themself. Their pointless. |
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| 28 Apr 2013 02:34 AM |
Thats why we Americans are happy that our gun control didn't take place. Imagine, semi automatic weapons are banned, and then a criminal gets one from a black market and decides to break into a home.
Citizen: GET BACK -shoots and misses- Criminal: Hehehehe Citizen: Oh crap, WAIT WAIT, TIME OUT, lemme pull this trigger back. -pulls back- Citizen: -shoots- DANG IT I MISSED AGAIN, hang on, lemme pull it back agai- BANG Criminal: -Presses easy button- |
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| 28 Apr 2013 02:40 AM |
@egammelgcloak
Semi-auto is always more accurate than full-auto. If you had good aim, you wouldn't miss. All the more reason why shotguns are great home defence weapons:
-Your house will be in close-quarters, were shotguns excel.
-If one pellet misses, a few hundred others will probably hit.
-If you do hit the criminal, they will probably be down in the first shot (if it hits), so no need to keep firing.
-Most home defense shotguns are semi-auto, so they comply with any future law of full-auto bans.
-Because in many countries it is illegal to shoot an intruder who is running away, the further away the criminal is, the harder to hit. Making shotguns very difficult for the person in defense to break the law.
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| 28 Apr 2013 02:42 AM |
"Imagine, semi automatic weapons are banned, and then a criminal gets one from a black market and decides to break into a home."
I don't have to imagine it -- it already happens. You clearly have no perspective on just how useless a firearm really is for protecting against home invasion. The result would be exactly the same as it is now -- the person whose house is being broken into is FLUCKED, no matter what kind of gun they have. The intruder is always going to have the jump on them, and the most effective weapon they could grab would actually be something like a large knife or a large blunt club-like object.
Oh and @OP, [citation needed] |
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| 28 Apr 2013 02:45 AM |
| Australia is sorta like seperated from everyone else. Those anti-social heathens. |
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| 28 Apr 2013 02:46 AM |
We are ¢υмвαℓℓѕ. We don't forgive. |
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| 28 Apr 2013 02:46 AM |
"All the more reason why shotguns are great home defence weapons:"
Indeed, shotguns are perhaps the ONLY weapon that is reasonably effective for defending your home.
"If one pellet misses, a few hundred others will probably hit."
Not a few hundred. Not even close. But perhaps still quite a few.
Of course, this is still forgetting the fact that, if you're an average citizen, any intruder still knows how to use a gun WAY better than you, and if they disarm you or get to your shotgun before you do, it's even more dangerous for you than it would be for the intruder had you been wielding it.
And even that's neglecting the rate of accidental death and injury due to firearm misuse that have nothing to do with criminals. |
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| 28 Apr 2013 02:57 AM |
@crossarms
I know, I wasn't talking about fully auto guns. I was talking about how we would have to use bolt action guns and pull back the anoying trigger thing every time we wanted to shoot. |
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| 28 Apr 2013 02:58 AM |
| Not since the accident happened... |
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| 28 Apr 2013 07:58 AM |
@egammelcloak
"@crossarms
I know, I wasn't talking about fully auto guns. I was talking about how we would have to use bolt action guns and pull back the anoying trigger thing every time we wanted to shoot."
You clearly don't know anything about guns.
Not all semi-autio are bolt-action.
There are four types of semi-auto:
Bolt action
Lever action
Pump action
Cycling mechanism.
With the cycling mechanism gun (e.g an AR-15 or M1 Garand) You pull the trigger, one bullet comes out. You pull the trigger again, a second bullet comes out. No bolts have to be pulled, no levers have to be pushed, no pumps have to be cocked. Full auto ban isn't as bad as you think it is. |
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| 28 Apr 2013 08:04 AM |
@stuntdude
"Not a few hundred. Not even close. But perhaps still quite a few."
Well, it was an exaggeration to get my point across. Realistically, a few more would hit, and the intruder would be down and then need to be taken to hospital.
" any intruder still knows how to use a gun WAY better than you, and if they disarm you or get to your shotgun before you do, it's even more dangerous for you than it would be for the intruder had you been wielding it."
If you've bought a firearm, chances are you probably know how to use it, clean it, safety, aiming, accuracy, etc. Some intruders may know better than you, but probably not most.
" and if they disarm you or get to your shotgun before you do, it's even more dangerous for you than it would be for the intruder had you been wielding it."
Quite unlikely if they are a decent range away. By the time they would have gotten close enough to perform a disarming manouvre, most people would have had enough to shoot them at least twice (assuming this is a pump-action we're referring to). Besides, some intruders will know a disarming manouvre, but as I say, not most.
"And even that's neglecting the rate of accidental death and injury due to firearm misuse that have nothing to do with criminals."
Can't argue with that. There will always be several accidental gun deaths every year despite all the safety and such. But still, it's perfectly acceptable to expect person who purchases a firearm to know a fair bit about safety aside from where the ouchy end is.
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| 28 Apr 2013 08:40 AM |
"If you've bought a firearm, chances are you probably know how to use it, clean it, safety, aiming, accuracy, etc."
Perhaps you would, but don't overestimate others. I seriously doubt that a majority of gun owners have extensive training beyond simply knowing how to operate it. Even if they do, common sense isn't guaranteed. Further, if someone is confident enough in their abilities to break into your house with a gun, chances are they are going to know a lot more than the average person about how to wield it. Even if for some reason they don't, they should be treated like they do, for safety's sake.
"By the time they would have gotten close enough to perform a disarming manouvre, most people would have had enough to shoot them at least twice"
True, that probably wouldn't happen. Mostly the concern is simply that any intruder is going to have a guaranteed advantage in that they know long beforehand what they're doing and how they're going to do it, but the occupant has no idea until it's often too late. |
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| 28 Apr 2013 08:45 AM |
| tl;dr to all of these posts. |
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| 28 Apr 2013 08:47 AM |
Gun control never work. But people will never understand that. |
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| 28 Apr 2013 10:38 AM |
@stuntdude
""If you've bought a firearm, chances are you probably know how to use it, clean it, safety, aiming, accuracy, etc."
Perhaps you would, but don't overestimate others. I seriously doubt that a majority of gun owners have extensive training beyond simply knowing how to operate it. Even if they do, common sense isn't guaranteed. Further, if someone is confident enough in their abilities to break into your house with a gun, chances are they are going to know a lot more than the average person about how to wield it. Even if for some reason they don't, they should be treated like they do, for safety's sake."
"By the time they would have gotten close enough to perform a disarming manouvre, most people would have had enough to shoot them at least twice"
True, that probably wouldn't happen. Mostly the concern is simply that any intruder is going to have a guaranteed advantage in that they know long beforehand what they're doing and how they're going to do it, but the occupant has no idea until it's often too late."
Can't really argue with that. |
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| 28 Apr 2013 10:44 AM |
| I knew it! I knew this was going to happen! |
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| 28 Apr 2013 10:45 AM |
have you even seen mexico?
#atheism |
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| 28 Apr 2013 10:52 AM |
"I knew it! I knew this was going to happen!"
Knew what was going to happen?
We weren't arguing, we were discussing, and I think I actually follow his point of view now. |
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| 28 Apr 2013 10:57 AM |
"Knew what was going to happen?"
Criminals illegally owning guns. |
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| 28 Apr 2013 02:09 PM |
@Crossarms You clearly don't understand what I'm talking about, I didn't talk about full auto guns at all. What ever, screw it. |
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| 02 May 2013 12:29 AM |
@egammelgcloak
You're not making any sense now.
In my second post, I understood that, but you were implying all semi-auto are bolt action. |
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| 02 May 2013 12:31 AM |
| I'm from Australia, and I'm still in Australia, and I like it. |
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| 02 May 2013 06:05 PM |
@Cross No I wasn't, I was saying its bad to ban semi auto guns because then we would have to use bolt action guns. You must have a hard time reading or something. |
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