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Re: Palestine should be a state.

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Telafight is not online. Telafight
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19 Apr 2013 08:11 PM
Disagree? Feel free, because we all know it's the truth.
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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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19 Apr 2013 08:18 PM
No I dont believe it is the truth.

1. Palestine has never in history been an independent state. Unless you inculde the Philistines but they arent exactly Palestinians.

2. Israel needs the land for defense. It takes very little time for a rocket from the West Bank to hit a plane flying out of Ben Gurion Airport

3. Israel is significantly better to live in than all the Arab states. The only comparable one is Turkey which is getting worse and isn't even Arab.

4. Palestinians have better treatment under Israeli rule than under Jordan, like they used to.

5. When Israel left Gaza in 2004 completely, the Palestinians elected Hamas who started shooting rockets at Israeli cities. Israel left completely and gave them their own place, but Hamas started waging holy war.

6. Israel is a democracy which gives equal rights to those living in Israel. Palestinians are allowed to vote, own property, etc. Meanwhile, a Palestinian man was given the death sentence for selling his house to a Jew.

7. Palestinians don't want to negotiate. Israel made a 10 month settlement freeze to negotiate with Abbas but he declined the offer until the last two months which was not nearly enough time. The only reason he accepted is because the king of Jordan pressured him to.

8. To establish a Palestinian state you would have to forcefully remove the Jews from Israel unless it is a 2-state solution which wasn't quite made clear in this thread.
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JimboFettt is not online. JimboFettt
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19 Apr 2013 08:39 PM
thepit44 makes some good points. But taking land from the Palestinians after WWII and just giving to someone else was a retrded idea in the first place.
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WinVariable is not online. WinVariable
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19 Apr 2013 08:39 PM
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RubiksCubix is not online. RubiksCubix
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19 Apr 2013 08:43 PM
@jimbo:

If they were being intolerant and hateful to them, it is their fault.

We had to give them their own country because no one around would accept them (and not blame them for their own failures).

Don't forget what happened during WWII.
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RubiksCubix is not online. RubiksCubix
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19 Apr 2013 08:44 PM
They were foreigners in every country--outcasts in almost every society.

Plus, from a military standpoint, it is not bad.
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SuperMarioIsAwesome is not online. SuperMarioIsAwesome
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19 Apr 2013 08:44 PM
@win

It was
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ihateu1234 is not online. ihateu1234
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20 Apr 2013 12:37 AM
There is no palestine, it is taken over by the idiotic isael jews.
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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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20 Apr 2013 07:45 AM
@ihate

They can't be that stupid if they managed to turn a barren wasteland into one of the most technologically advanced and one of the powerful military forces.
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yokan109 is not online. yokan109
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20 Apr 2013 08:26 AM
@Thepit44

You're looking at things from one point of view. Where did you get the news that Israelis are nice to Palestinians? FOX News? People die everyday in Palestine, both Israelis and Palestinians. The people of Palestine are oppressed. The attacks that the Palestinians commence takes root when they watch their house being bombed, by Israeli, at an early age. It's like asking a child who you just shot why he hates you so much. Clear enough?

"Use the force Harry."
-Gandalf
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MasterSpyro1010 is not online. MasterSpyro1010
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20 Apr 2013 09:29 AM
@Yokan, Exactly! Palestinians and Israelis both hate each other, I'd be happy to drive the Israelis out.
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yokan109 is not online. yokan109
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20 Apr 2013 10:59 AM
Israelis were Jews that were prosecuted during the Hitlar regime. Now they are creating another regime against Muslims. Is that fair in anybody's opinion?

"Use the force Harry."
-Gandalf
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ihateu1234 is not online. ihateu1234
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20 Apr 2013 11:08 AM
@Thepit actually stupid sometimes can be meant as hatred.
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MasterSpyro1010 is not online. MasterSpyro1010
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20 Apr 2013 12:45 PM
No, this is the Jew's trying to get glory.
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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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20 Apr 2013 01:47 PM
Pfft.. more Israelis die from peanut allergies
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MrDoomBringer is not online. MrDoomBringer
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20 Apr 2013 02:16 PM
You know the rules, no hot-button topics.
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