Ocean8810
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| 04 Apr 2013 06:54 PM |
In general, MB & UNSC have been great allies, against EW and other groups, we have defended each other and done much to help each other. Lately, MB has been the victim of incorrect rumors and the scapegoat for a recent admin attack. Because of this, hostilities have sky rocketed and they have mass raided us five times - with the last raid causing MB to declare war.
-------------------------------- Reasons:
1) Due to the UNSC's random mass raids on the former ally of MB, the MB have resorted to declaring war after the most recent raid. On 4/4/2013, me and one private were at the capital - UNSC then swarmed the server with over 23+ UNSC (5 MB must be present to win a raid). Fast forward a few minutes, MB & Allies fill up a entire server, and managed to fit around 10 MB into the main server against 20 UNSC. The UNSC managed to get in the city when there were hardly any MB, then MB pushed them out of the city. Due to ROBLOX, the server sadly disconnected. I wish it didn't, as it was a glorious moment beating such large odds, but it sadly did. Then, UNSC called a autowin - since they seem to think MB can control server disconnections.
2) Blaming MB of a admin attack with no evidence whatsoever. There was a clearly faked image of a PM of a lower-rank MB telling the admin attackers to admin attack, but that was proven false. A few MB were told the moment it started, but what could we do? We tried to notify UNSC HR's but to no avail. We offered help in recovering UNSC from the admin attack but before we could help they blamed us quickly and attacked.
3) URF using UNSC as a puppet group. URF has clearly anti-MB agendas, and has obvious alts appointed to high ranking UNSC positions. It's quite clear they took advantage of the AA to place the blame on us, and it's also quite clear they are using the group as some means to go against MB.
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To the UNSC/MB in MB/UNSC, we hope that you will pick your loyalties. Any spying or anything of that nature will get you exiled no matter your rank in MB.
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In general, I also request to stormtrooper (A very high ranking UNSC) that a meeting is held and I explained MBs position in the PM. When the mass raid started, which he was there for, I asked if he read the PM. He said "Maybe". UNSC claims we've been at war since the admin attack, so now it's time we've pushed this through.
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A Note From Horatio45:
Let it be known that MB has repeatedly tried to peacefully restore the alliance with UNSC, but UNSC's stubborn insistence upon MB's guilt, and simple-minded logic regarding evidence of their false accusations, have led to this war.
------------- - Second in Command, Ocean8810
(Post approved by the Sky Marshal & Other 2ic |
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| 04 Apr 2013 07:25 PM |
"Other 2ic"
I giggled when I read that.
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I wish we didn't have this war,
I was good friends with Keyrut. We even share the same first name and personalities... Still, a simple bullet to the head has lead me to friendships. Ask VAK COL. Rappero and VAK CPT. VorVelm. |
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Ocean8810
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| 04 Apr 2013 07:32 PM |
I feel like a jerk when I said that, but I had to rush this.
WII is awesome, and does a good job.
Yes, I was friends with Keyrut as well. Keyrut said before this final raid which started the war that the "raids should of stopped" - but he never stopped them. |
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| 04 Apr 2013 08:46 PM |
| Well whoever raided you was ovisly thick headed only keyrut can call an offical raid.... As for the raids and the unalliment I am deeply sorry =( I wish we could go back to being allies and as for URF.... I hate them... |
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Ocean8810
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| 04 Apr 2013 08:50 PM |
Snooper & Many HR's raided.
I wish we could go back to being allies, and that's what I've been trying to do for the past few days but we're not going to get walked on by UNSC. And yes, I understand a large amount of UNSC hate URF. UNSC is a URF puppet group now, sadly. Don't take it personally, explosin that we're at war, I remember you and I know you're a great person.It's a shame the great alliance we once had is gone. |
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dago26
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| 04 Apr 2013 08:50 PM |
| I am sorry that this has happened, I wish we were not at war, because frankly, the URF seems to like picking fights, and breaking allies...I hope this war ends, without any more problems. |
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Ocean8810
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| 04 Apr 2013 08:52 PM |
| I understand what you mean, dago. But this war isn't about the MB in UNSC, and vice versa. This is mainly between the UNSC HR's being completely irrational. Just stick with it, and hopefully after the war we could restore the alliance, otherwise I'm not sure. |
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Horatio45
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| 04 Apr 2013 08:58 PM |
| It is clear, that there can only be a few possibilities. Either U-R-F truly does wield significant influence over UNSC, or UNSC staged this on purpose just as an excuse to unally MB, or UNSC high ranks are just simple-minded and irrationally stubborn. |
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| 04 Apr 2013 09:00 PM |
| Alot of HRs need to be punished and HICOMS need to learn that they can't host raids and URF needs to learn to stop messing with us beofre we add their entire group to banland for all UNSC places. |
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Ocean8810
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| 04 Apr 2013 09:02 PM |
| I believe most of this lies to Keyrut to do several changes , but I think for this to happen the majority of UNSC needs to rise up against URF/Corrupt HR's |
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| 04 Apr 2013 09:02 PM |
| Regardless, they're gonna regret it. |
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idot200
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| 04 Apr 2013 09:14 PM |
I feel bad that it has come to this, but it was brought upon themselves for believing a stupid lie that was obviously not true. Not much else to say on this I guess. Staff Sergeant Idot200. |
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| 04 Apr 2013 09:21 PM |
| Strange that this would happen after you two were such strong allies after that EW incident. |
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Ocean8810
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| 04 Apr 2013 09:22 PM |
| I do find it odd that it occurred after we were such strong allies, but things went down south quickly. |
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| 04 Apr 2013 09:30 PM |
To be honest, this could have been avoided, and I know exactly what happened, anyone can literally take what happened and peace it together. In my psychology class we go over how people place scapegoats on innocent bystanders if they have small, or even NO connection to the real culprit. As seen here, Shenron Omega, the organizer of this admin attack, although in MB for a year, NEVER got past the rank of SERGEANT. This means, although he had a say in general elections, he did not have in on the decision making or the command of MB. So here is what I have pieced together.
1. URF, some sort of attempt to revive grapefruit998's old "anti-MB" groups, wants to cause immediate internal war inbetween MB's federation. 2. Seeing the teamwork shown between MB and UNSC during the EW wars, URF decides that it can pit MB and UNSC against each-other, destroying the federation before it takes root. 3. URF contacts Shenron Omega, who at this time and the time of the admin attack, was TBC, and offers a large sum of ROBUX/TIX, or some other assorted prize or gain, in order to admin attack UNSC. They chose Shenron because of his ties to MB, which, in turn, made it seem heavily likely that MB organized the AA. 4. During the admin attack, although no users were exiled, UNSC is entirely stopped due to loss of organization, and the utter chaos ensuing because of "Oh, why did I get demoted to (x)?" 5. After the admin attack, looking through the audit logs, multiple remaining UNSC High Ranks realize that ShenronOmega orchestrated the attack, which in turn gets UNSC HR's looking through his groups. 6. During the investigation on Shenron, they notice what could seem like intense ties to MB, VIA uniforms. Due to the intense rage already present, they scapegoat the entire attack on MB, and begins raiding. 7. A small ceasefire ends with no deal, and a large mass server raid by UNSC, which in turn ensues the war.
As we can see, its not UNSC nor MB's fault. UNSC did what anyone would do in this situation. When MB had a slew of admin attacks about a year and half ago, one, by raapster, the scapegoat was VAK, which happened to be right. The other 3, each orchestrated by a different person, turned out ending with MB placing scapegoats from TRA to RAT to FEAR to WIJ to UAF to Anti-MB, and so many more, however, the real culprit was never found. My point is, scapegoating, which is a human instinct, is so beyond wrong, yet so many people do it. I understand UNSC, trust me MB, if we were in the same position, you would be placing scapegoats too. However, just because they scapegoated doesn't mean they have fault. It is the fault of URF, and ShenronOmega. Both should be prosecuted under a UNITED force of UNSC AND MB! Both have been hurt by URF, so it makes sense that instead of attacking a group that was not only an ally, but has NOTHING to fight for against you(both sides), fight the real culprit. Get over yourselves. It makes SENSE to fight the real culprit, not a scapegoat who has done nothing(to UNSC). Furthermore. It's a game. You don't have to deal with the raids. It's called group banning, and it would totally remove ANY need to have a "cease-fire". If you want negotiations and stuff, its a totally programmable game, just DO IT.(to MB) Finally, if you want to fight each-other, by all means, be my guest, but at least hear what I have to say and TRY TO REALIZE that the real enemy here is URF. Or, whoever is the real culprit. |
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Ocean8810
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| 04 Apr 2013 09:40 PM |
| That's not entirely true, kibble. URF just doesn't like MB, and is no way a grapefruit anti-MB. And I do know shenron wasn't bribed into admin attacking. Theres a few other points that are incorrect but you get the idea. |
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recounted
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| 04 Apr 2013 09:48 PM |
| I see what you mean Shenron sounds like type of guy that is a merchant |
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| 04 Apr 2013 09:59 PM |
| Thus this will be the second war I take no part in due to split alliances, first one was the MB, EW war. And this one is the second, please do not mind. |
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| 04 Apr 2013 10:03 PM |
| But although I take no action I will try to end the revolt of UNSC, Although I was offline during the time of the admin attack, I will try to find out what exactly happen and get the TRUE stories from both sides, even if it means getting demoted. |
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| 04 Apr 2013 10:37 PM |
Of course im going to have to step in to clear up some things...
Number 1: The MB DID in fact know before this entire thing started. ShenronOmega and the UNSC HRs responsible for the AA'ing were in a Sky chat with Ilold and Horatio. They were questioning what to do about UNSC. And one of the MB HRs, Ilold gave the suggestion they should leave a mark on UNSC before they left. or steal tech and start a rebellion. Thus giving them the idea to AA. Horatio along with other MB were at Shen's place also discussing his intentions. MB knew perfectly what was going to happen. Sky logs were shown, but of course your great leader Horatio refuses to acknowledge them.
Number 2: This could have all been avoided. Yes it could have. How could it have been avoided? Simple, if Horatio didn't overreact and end the alliance. After the AA'ing occured an emergency HIGHCOM meeting was held. It was voted upon that MB HRs in UNSC along with regular HRs in UNSC be removed of their powers until UNSC fixed itself and got back up onto its feet. I brought Horatio45 to ONI HQ and explained the entire situation to him. I firmly told him that MB would be returned their postions after this cleared over. But do you know what his reaction was? He became furious that we 'Mistreated the Grand leader of the Federation.' He mentioned he would rather be surrounded by pictures and flags of MB so he would feel more comfortable. Can you explain to me how stupid this is? UNSC was in panic fearing more HRs waiting to Admin attack and cause more chaos. Even if they were MB or UNSC. We didn't want any more panic then there already was and Horatio was worried about being comfortable. How nice of him to be so worried. So of course we took him outside to give him the space he needed while he continued to drone on about our mistreatment of him. Then he just turned to us and said that the treatment we gave him was unacceptable and he and the Federation wanted nothing more to do with the UNSC. And then he just left and made a great post of wisdom of how UNSC stabbed MB in the back and then demoted all UNSC to the rank of quotes and MB Laundry Corps to be funny.And the UNSC stabbing MB in the back thing, this rumor then spread to the Federation allies and they all began becoming anti-UNSC. So just to make it clear. UNSC never ended the alliance. We tried to avoid this entire mess but your great leader chose to cause all of this. So when someone tells you MB was stabbed in the back by UNSC, please tell them to read this post.
Number 3: UNSC is not being controlled by URF. No not at all, there are no URF leaders in UNSC so stop trying to point to us as corrupt. MB should stop sticking their noses where it doesn't belong. Keep to your federation rather then UNSC's highcommand which is running perfectly as it is.
Hopefully this clears up a lot of things. And a note to MB as stated in Number 3. Stop trying to make us seem as a corrupt and evil group. This would have never happened if you leader didn't overreact. |
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Ocean8810
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| 04 Apr 2013 10:52 PM |
Wow, you sure put a lot of fluff into that snooper.
1. I talked to the people that were notified, Horatio stated that he did not join a call/chat until it was occurring. No one knew about it before it happened. Do you have significant proof? Or are you going to fake some more messages?
2. A argument ended the alliance, that hardly excuses five mass raids on MB. When a alliance ends, okay, deal with it. But we did nothing to provoke mass raids. Not to mention that you lost each one, even when 23 swarmed 2. I'm not Horatio, but I'll speak with him on this. Something tells me this is EXTREMELY one sided on every level. Need I also remind you that I was the main MB Ambassador to UNSC, and I was not able to be on ROBLOX due to RL at this time. When I returned, I promptly sent messages to UNSC HR's calling for a meeting so I could settle this. This was met with a mass raid, which is very unprofessional. I've spoken to several people, due to Horatio being unavailable at the time of this posting ( I will ask him when he returns ) That Horatio said you interrogated him roughly, and rather rudely at that. Laundry Corps? You mean the division that was shut down months and months ago?
3. I find it hilarious that you say URF has no influence/control in UNSC. You'll see it. If it was running perfectly fine, you would have had a massive admin attack, would you? |
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WII3579
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| 04 Apr 2013 10:55 PM |
| I really lol'd that UNSCAF, who is too cowardish to show up on his main and is probably a URF alt, was raging about why he was killed when he was ally raiding. |
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Ocean8810
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| 04 Apr 2013 10:55 PM |
| WII, I believe someone told me UNSCAF is PBnJ . |
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Horatio45
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| 04 Apr 2013 10:56 PM |
| Chat logs were taken out of context, and a forged screenshot of a PM incriminating an SSU agent was shown as "evidence". It was UNSC that overreacted, by exiling MB's from UNSC and removing us from your allies immediately after the AA. These actions were panicked and unprofessional. However, it is useless for either side to argue further. UNSC has provoked the situation to a point where reconciliation seems unlikely. We can only agree on disagreeing. MB has already made attempts to negotiate,but UNSC has rejected all our offers of peace. So let this war continue either until one group is annihilated, or until UNSC admits that they have misjudged the situation. MB remains innocent of any wrongdoing. |
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Ocean8810
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| 04 Apr 2013 11:16 PM |
I've had a full talk and Horatio & Others involved have clearly explained to me what happened. I stated, that I'd update it, no?
In regards to MB knowing about the admin attack: ShenronOmega told MB that URF had infiltrated the HR's of UNSC, and Keyrut was replacing UNSC HR's with URF-influenced accounts. He then planned to make a new group with the intention of exposing URF's plot, since Keyrut has personal connections with PB (URF leader). They were planning to rally up UNSC and expose the truth, and this is what ilold referred to "leaving their mark" - not admin attacking. Unless some ground-breaking proof comes out then you are at complete loss.
In regards to the incident with Horatio: Horatio & Others were held in a cell at ONI HQ. When Horatio tried to walk around, they used admin to freeze Horatio and take him back. It was a strict & rude interrogation. Blatant disrespect for a then ally leader, no? Not to mention the suppose jokes against Horatio that were made.
In regards to the raids: A cease fire was reached, and guess what, UNSC broke it. That's why when I returned, and when I was there and you raided, I said enough - we asked for a diplomatic solution and it was declined. We asked for peace, and we were met with raids.
No.
This is not how ANY group how should operate and you should be blatantly ASHAMED of yourself. |
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