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JoshuinOrphus is not online. JoshuinOrphus
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09 Mar 2013 11:38 PM
Here's a timeline for atheists:


←------1----------------2--3--------→

1 = Origin of Universe (Big Bang)
2 = Origin of Earth (stuff crashing together)
3 = Origin of Humanity (Evolution)

Now, where do we place the origin of God?
Because we are assuming that everything has an origin, right?

If EVERYTHING has an origin, then the laws of physics must have an origin, right? So let's add that on the timeline....

←--4--------------1----------------2--3--------→

4 = Origin of the Laws of Physics

But, doesn't that mean the Law of Origin must ALSO have an origin?
Let's throw that on the timeline...

←-5-----------------4------------1----------------2--3--------→

5 = Origin of the Law of Origin (AKA Law of Cause and Effect)

Then were would God be?
Well, once we line everything up, God would be...

6←----5-----------------4------------1----------------2--3--------→

6 = God

If God came before the Law of Origin, then God would not have been required to have an origin.
Meaning, by the laws that bound this universe, God could have never originated, yet, always existed.

Let me put up a full version of the limeline...

1←----2-----------------3------------4----------------5--6--------→

1 = God
2 = Origin of the Law of Origin (AKA Law of Cause and Effect)
3 = Origin of the Laws of Physics
4 = Origin of the Universe (Big Bang)
5 = Origin of the Earth (stuff crashing into each other)
6 = Origin of Man (Evolution)

Done.
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michaelm0522 is not online. michaelm0522
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09 Mar 2013 11:40 PM
>Law of Origin

...
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JoshuinOrphus is not online. JoshuinOrphus
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09 Mar 2013 11:41 PM
@michael

AKA Law of Cause and Effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality
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firekillerxx is not online. firekillerxx
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09 Mar 2013 11:43 PM
what


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michaelm0522 is not online. michaelm0522
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09 Mar 2013 11:43 PM
^
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michaelm0522 is not online. michaelm0522
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09 Mar 2013 11:44 PM
>"2 = Origin of Earth (stuff crashing together)"

----------
Yes. Gravity exists
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JoshuinOrphus is not online. JoshuinOrphus
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09 Mar 2013 11:45 PM
@michael

The entire argument for "who created God" is based around the assumption that everything must have an origin.

A "law" in science is something that governs things.
If everything must have an origin, then calling it "the law of origin" is a scientifically correct statement.

@fire

Please ask an exact answer.
I can't answer "what".
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Stofferson is not online. Stofferson
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09 Mar 2013 11:46 PM
tl;dr
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michaelm0522 is not online. michaelm0522
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09 Mar 2013 11:51 PM
Its basically impossible to know what created the universe. Both theories are most likely false
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thomaszand is not online. thomaszand
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09 Mar 2013 11:52 PM
helo
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JoshuinOrphus is not online. JoshuinOrphus
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09 Mar 2013 11:52 PM
@thomas

Hi.
Any comments?
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Epitimy is not online. Epitimy
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09 Mar 2013 11:53 PM
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johnb is not online. johnb
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09 Mar 2013 11:53 PM
Why post this on Roblox? Wot are you proving, m8?
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TheLastBrick is not online. TheLastBrick
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09 Mar 2013 11:53 PM
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johnb is not online. johnb
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09 Mar 2013 11:54 PM
And really to whom are you proving this? My god, if you're going to take the piss take it, but don't be such a tnuc about it. Little downs.
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hwen4 is not online. hwen4
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09 Mar 2013 11:54 PM
Wow
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Aardbeien is not online. Aardbeien
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09 Mar 2013 11:55 PM
Impossible. Without physics or even cause and effect, how can anything exist at all?

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firefeind1 is not online. firefeind1
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09 Mar 2013 11:57 PM
but matter cannot be created.

-smf
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JoshuinOrphus is not online. JoshuinOrphus
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09 Mar 2013 11:57 PM
@Epiti
I didn't? I drew a timeline and placed exactly where he originated.

@TheLast
>"Um. You are doing this assuming God is true."
Let's remove God from the timeline..

←----1-----------------2------------3----------------4--5--------→

1 = Origin of the Law of Origin (AKA Cause and EffecT)
2 = Origin of the Laws of Physics
3 = Origin of the Universe (Big Bang)
4 = Origin of the Earth
5 = Origin of Man (Evolution)

Not much different at all.

>"You are trying to fit him in to an equation where he is not needed."
You asked me where he originated, and I told you exactly.

>" Trust me. I know. I just won't tell you for fear of it being stolen before I publish it. Just trust me."

Was that a troll attempt?
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MisterMooStudios is not online. MisterMooStudios
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09 Mar 2013 11:58 PM
First, there was a magical unicorn princess that, with it's magical abilities, created a beautiful land called "Pittsburgh." There, the princess created the first two humans, Adam and Steve. But Steve was st8 so Adam was all alone.

Then, a magical storm lifted him into a magical realm, where rabbits roamed, and gypsies did gypsy related stuff. But suddenly, and evil tentacle monster appeared, and took Adam as his eternal slave.

Eventually, an armada of aliens freed Adam and he was taken to their home planet where they had to defeat the Tyrant King and/or Queen. In a long, everlasting battle, Adam finally became the victor, to whom the magical unicorn princess paid a visit. She gave him a bottle of pixie dust as a reward, and he used it to create the modern world we live in today.

The End.
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Pwnzersome is not online. Pwnzersome
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09 Mar 2013 11:58 PM
wut

-im so kul, letz b frends
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JoshuinOrphus is not online. JoshuinOrphus
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09 Mar 2013 11:59 PM
@Aard
>"Impossible. Without physics or even cause and effect, how can anything exist at all?"

So you do not believe that the laws of physics have an origin?
Then this "law of origin" does not exist?

Then that would mean, something would not be required to have an origin.

But even if the law of origin did exist, something could still exist without an origin if it existed before the law of origin originated.
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johnb is not online. johnb
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09 Mar 2013 11:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbc-319VYlw
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Uppercutt is not online. Uppercutt
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09 Mar 2013 11:59 PM
Yes
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thomaszand is not online. thomaszand
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10 Mar 2013 12:00 AM
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