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Re: Would Anyone be Interested in Programming Classes?

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wHiTTySCUMPUTA is not online. wHiTTySCUMPUTA
Joined: 20 Jan 2013
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07 Mar 2013 06:17 PM
Every day or two I could go to somewhere like TlnyChat and teach like JavaScript or C++ or Java or something like that.
I'd be in a chatroom so you could see and hear what I was teaching, and also ask questions about it.
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awsumpwner27 is not online. awsumpwner27
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07 Mar 2013 06:18 PM
Portfolio?
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ArceusInator is not online. ArceusInator
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07 Mar 2013 06:18 PM
Interested? Yes

Interested enough to spend time doing it? Ehhhhh
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dekkonot is not online. dekkonot
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07 Mar 2013 06:20 PM
Meh. If I cared to learn any languages other than what I have, I'd be learning them.

~Dekkonot~
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wHiTTySCUMPUTA is not online. wHiTTySCUMPUTA
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07 Mar 2013 06:21 PM
@awsum

Portfolio of what? Do you want to know my credibility?
I don't have a teaching license, but I have gotten a good grasp on programming.

I have written several JavaScript games at apps, C++ games and apps, and I have even written an online, 3D game in Java. I took two classes on Java, so it's probably my best language. But because of those two classes, I am familiar with terminology as well. So I can actually give you the names of what I am teaching.

Besides, my credibility will be reflected upon the programs you create.
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awsumpwner27 is not online. awsumpwner27
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07 Mar 2013 06:24 PM
Eh, I guess that's good enough for a portfolio.
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NVI is not online. NVI
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07 Mar 2013 06:44 PM
"I have written several JavaScript games at apps, C++ games and apps, and I have even written an online, 3D game in Java. I took two classes on Java, so it's probably my best language."

You're going to have to try harder than that before you teach anyone anything. Those aren't very high achievements.
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awsumpwner27 is not online. awsumpwner27
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07 Mar 2013 06:52 PM
^agreeing with the grump (nvi in case this is late)
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popinman322 is not online. popinman322
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07 Mar 2013 07:01 PM
"I took two classes on Java, so it's probably my best language."

I believe that you should probably get Oracle certified prior to teaching the language. :/
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wHiTTySCUMPUTA is not online. wHiTTySCUMPUTA
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07 Mar 2013 07:02 PM
@NVI & awsum

You guys are looking at this at a very irrational way.
I have to prove myself to you before I get a chance to teach you anything?

I'm sorry, but people that prideful, I'd rather not teach anything anyways.
I would "prove" myself in the "classroom". If you do not feel you are learning enough, you can simply leave.

I'm not going to get a college degree simply to please you.
When I get my degree, I'm going to get a job and not even have time for this.

As Jesus put it, "believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe".

Don't believe what I say here. Believe based on my works. Believe based on how well I actually do teach you and how much you learn. Base your beliefs on that.
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NVI is not online. NVI
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07 Mar 2013 07:02 PM
Just so you know, no one would hire you if you had that on your resume. They'd see you as just another kid that took a high school class and decided to be a programmer. It doesn't matter if that's true or not, it's your responsibility to shape that perception without lying.
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ninetailfox73 is not online. ninetailfox73
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07 Mar 2013 07:02 PM
TEACH ME
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wHiTTySCUMPUTA is not online. wHiTTySCUMPUTA
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07 Mar 2013 07:03 PM
@popin
>"I believe that you should probably get Oracle certified prior to teaching the language. :/"

Then I'll charge you.
I can teach you how to create applications, how to program 2D video games, how to program basic 3D video games. I can teach you programming terminology, methods, ideas, theory, just about everything you need to know.

You will get nothing out of a high school course. Believe me, I took one.
They suck and teach you barely anything. I taught myself several times as much information than they offer in those courses.
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wHiTTySCUMPUTA is not online. wHiTTySCUMPUTA
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07 Mar 2013 07:05 PM
@NVI
>"Just so you know, no one would hire you if you had that on your resume. They'd see you as just another kid that took a high school class and decided to be a programmer. It doesn't matter if that's true or not, it's your responsibility to shape that perception without lying."

Now you're just being EXTREMELY irrational.
I am not a servant here to teach you for money, but as a kind gesture.
And you're acting as if I owe you something.

I didn't put together a "portfolio" because this is not a professional thing at all.
If it was professional, I'd probably charge you for it.
Because the definition of a "profession" is, "a paid occupation".
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NVI is not online. NVI
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07 Mar 2013 07:06 PM
Okay, wow. Lots of problems with your mentality.

First of all, you're completely wrong on this, and you're the irrational one. Would you want to learn nuclear physics from an English teacher? That's basically what's going on here. Maybe you know it well, but can you prove that? You could be teaching them entirely wrong, and that's unacceptable and poisons the entire world-wide programming community.

Second, don't invoke Jesus if you want to be taken seriously by scientifically-minded people such as programmers. No one is going to take you seriously if you compare yourself to a mythical figure that probably did not exist. That's like saying I'm a good programmer because I can poop like a unicorn.

Third, this isn't a belief system. You either have empirical evidence of your work or you don't. We're not going to take your word for it. Teaching programming is not a subject that should be taken lightly. There are relatively few formal, educated teachers already, we don't need half-wit amateurs smelling up the field even more.
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popinman322 is not online. popinman322
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07 Mar 2013 07:07 PM
@wHiTTy

No thank you, I'm already going for my Java SE 6 Certified Professional exam later this year. Thank you for acknowledging my post, however.
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NVI is not online. NVI
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07 Mar 2013 07:08 PM
I don't care if it's a volunteer service or not. If you're going to pass on knowledge to others, it is YOUR responsibility to make sure it's completely correct to the best of your ability. If you haven't done all you can do, you are simply a bad person for passing it on. It's not the same as something abstract like teaching a kid manners, this is a very, very regulated, fact-based field that entire corporations hinge upon.
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wHiTTySCUMPUTA is not online. wHiTTySCUMPUTA
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07 Mar 2013 07:09 PM
>"Would you want to learn nuclear physics from an English teacher? That's basically what's going on here. "
Except English doesn't show results.

>"Maybe you know it well, but can you prove that?"
Because when you put your code in at the end of the day, it will work.

>"You could be teaching them entirely wrong, and that's unacceptable and poisons the entire world-wide programming community."

And then you would know. Because it would not work.

>"Second, don't invoke Jesus if you want to be taken seriously by scientifically-minded people such as programmers. No one is going to take you seriously if you compare yourself to a mythical figure that probably did not exist. That's like saying I'm a good programmer because I can poop like a unicorn."

You are a child. I am done replying to you.

I will continue replying to anyone else here, but not NVI.
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popinman322 is not online. popinman322
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07 Mar 2013 07:12 PM
I've assessed NVI to be of the ENTJ personality type, in effect it's really not his fault. Competency is something we all strive for here, and given his J type he's far less lenient than some of us.

@NVI

Shouldn't a student take part of the responsibility in learning and look for other sources and research projects?
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NVI is not online. NVI
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07 Mar 2013 07:13 PM
I'm not a child. You clearly are, and you're showing me through your actions - that's probably the only thing you can prove.

These people here are kids. They're just getting started, and many of them will go on to be professional programmers. Teach them wrong now, and you're not advancing them, you're setting them back YEARS. There are huge potential repercussions here. What if someone learned crappy programming practices from you, got a job by tricking an employer into thinking they were actually good, and then lost the job once they saw the code this someone produced? Then this someone would realize that their specialized skillset is useless, and would likely fall into poverty.

Do we need more of that? It sounds like I'm overreacting, but I'm REALLY not. It IS that big of a deal.
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NilPirate is not online. NilPirate
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07 Mar 2013 07:13 PM
NVI, I may not be an "advanced scripter", so feel free to ignore my opinion, but you're really being stupid here. He's just offering to help people learn a couple of languages if they have the free time. It's not a matter of life or death. He's not applying to teach it as a college course. We're all probably under 15-16 here, and if you're above that perhaps you should move on, especially if you consider yourself so elevated that you expect people to get an official certification before you would dare to even learn the advanced art of System.out.println() from them.

Seriously.
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NVI is not online. NVI
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07 Mar 2013 07:14 PM
@popinman322

INTJ actually. And yeah, you'd think so. But this guy is trying to teach them that they don't need to do that. Look, he's a jesusfreak. Since when have Christian churches ever told their followers to look up sources?
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wHiTTySCUMPUTA is not online. wHiTTySCUMPUTA
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07 Mar 2013 07:15 PM
Being the top programmer at my school and a lot of free time, I decided to help you guys. Now I've rather decided against it. I'm sure NVI would love that, but I do already teach, and will continue to teach.
Just not live.

I do already teach, but I put them on YouTube. I have a lot of views for my 16bit WinAsm videos.
I do many programming languages. So I still technically teach.
But I was considering teaching live, but I guess none of you care about that.

ninetailfox73, I will still teach you if you want. Just PM me.

I'll just return to coding programs myself.
I am writing an RPG in Asm for the TI-83/84 calculators.
Just spent a few hours writing a library for plotting pixels and sprites on the screen.

@NilPirate
Thanks.
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ColorfulBody is not online. ColorfulBody
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07 Mar 2013 07:54 PM
Heh, I have to agree with NVI here. NVI is often pretty rude, but usually, what he says is right. Teaching, especially in a field like programming, needs to be done correctly and is more of an important matter than you may think.

If anyone is interested in programming classes, by the way, I recommend edX's programming classes. It was founded by the MIT and the Harvard university and it gives very good free classes online.
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wHiTTySCUMPUTA is not online. wHiTTySCUMPUTA
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07 Mar 2013 07:59 PM
@Colorful
>"Teaching, especially in a field like programming, needs to be done correctly and is more of an important matter than you may think."

And that is blatantly obvious.
Unlike history, I cannot just lie to you about programming.
Because once you run the code, whether it would run or not is completely up

Besides, if it's terminology you're after, I took a class, so I know my terminology in programming quite well. Plus, you need to know terminology. Because if you want to know how to do something in a programming language, you need to know what to type into Google to figure it out.

And I already said I wasn't going to do them.
So you don't need to post on this thread anymore.

Just let it die.
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