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Re: Roger Goodell on the lack of colored coach hirings

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ddude is not online. ddude
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02 Feb 2013 02:32 PM
""We want to make sure we have the best people in the best possible positions," Goodell said. "We didn't have the outcomes we wanted.""

>maybe they weren't qualified enough
>maybe the coaches that were available were better
>UMG WE NEED TO SIGN BLACK COACHES EVERYWHERE

they're doing fine as it is
just because you didn't have a colored coach signed, doesn't mean it's an outrage.

if i remember, most of the best available coaches were all white?

i don't see it as wrong
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02 Feb 2013 02:33 PM
Neither do I, people need to stop crying about it
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02 Feb 2013 02:34 PM
i'm not intending to be racist at all here

it's that if you have two candidates

one white
one black

the white coach is better than the black coach. you go with the white coach.

now let's reverse it

the black coach is better than the white coach, i'd go with the black coach
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02 Feb 2013 02:34 PM
agreed
i don't know why black people think everything is a competition that we all need to break through into
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02 Feb 2013 02:35 PM
The best coaches are usually white. In the Premier League, theres only ONE black manager. And theres none at all in the Champions League.
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02 Feb 2013 02:36 PM
it's a commonplace in America in general today

it's like we're trying to make up for all the wrongs we did, which we have

but we are almost giving the people that were the minorities more rights than the average white man

it frustrates me to see it sometimes
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Runotelli is not online. Runotelli
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02 Feb 2013 02:37 PM
@ddude


whoa whoa whoa
hold up.
i wouldn't agree with you THAT far
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DeadMan253 is not online. DeadMan253
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02 Feb 2013 02:38 PM
But he's not really wrong.
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Runotelli is not online. Runotelli
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02 Feb 2013 02:38 PM
America hasn't really "made up" for most of it, and half the country is still racist.
America is better than some other countries about it, but its not even close to being a soundly resolved issue.
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02 Feb 2013 02:39 PM
ok thats just a sterotype cause if that was true then tubby smith wouldnt have been as good as he is with minnesota basketball
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02 Feb 2013 02:40 PM
@rune

the thing is though,

the average black man has more opportunities than the average white man. with all of the companies saying they have to sign black people, it's forcing other people out.

to the above point, i'm not being racist

if i had two people like i said with the coaches

one white
one black

and the black was more qualified, i'd choose him

if the white man were more qualified, i'd choose him

now if i had a woman, a white man, and a black man, and the woman was more qualified, i'd pick the woman.

just my honest opinion.
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02 Feb 2013 02:40 PM
What about Mike tomlin?
>Black
>So successful (2 superbowl Appearences) 1 win
>42 Years old
>Coaches the steelers
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02 Feb 2013 02:42 PM
"ok thats just a sterotype cause if that was true then tubby smith wouldnt have been as good as he is with minnesota basketball"

what did i say that was a stereotype? i'm not discounting the skill of black coaches. there are great black coaches out there. it's just that there were probably better white coaches out there. although, i do wish lovie smith was signed somewhere. he's a good one.
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02 Feb 2013 02:42 PM
@ddude

I understand where your going
there are some college scholarships for black people that i can apply for, and most likely get. yes we have some opportunities that white people don't, but to say we have more isn't really fair.
if you bring this out into a broader spectrum, white people still have more benefits and opportunities, especially in social obligations and everyday life.
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02 Feb 2013 02:43 PM
"What about Mike tomlin?
>Black
>So successful (2 superbowl Appearences) 1 win
>42 Years old
>Coaches the steelers"

i'm not trying to say black coaches aren't good enough..

like i said to cdawg, there are great black coaches out there

it's just im wishing people wouldn't get so riled up when there isn't a black coach signed
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02 Feb 2013 02:44 PM
@Rune

I guess what I'm getting at is the specific situations, such as the NFL's "Rooney Rule". It's a bit ridiculous that Goodell is complaining about it.
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02 Feb 2013 02:44 PM
America hasn't really "made up" for most of it, and half the country is still racist.
America is better than some other countries about it, but its not even close to being a soundly resolved issue.

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true cause in all reality everyone has suppressed thier racism in to these petty ideals and mindsets so that's its less dectable

I.e the new neo naze movement comes off as less voilent and ignorrant to appel to bigger bases

they still want all ethncities separated, just with out the voilence
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02 Feb 2013 02:48 PM
There is a reason that Hue Jackson, Romeo Cornell, and Raheem Morris were fired. They just weren't good!

Lovie Smith's firing surprised me though.
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02 Feb 2013 02:48 PM
Off topic here,

I'm actually glad we're having a civilized debate.

Thanks guys.
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02 Feb 2013 02:54 PM
An idea of how I think.

Tony Dungy vs. Sean Payton

Both have one Super Bowl win.

Dungy's black
Payton's white

Dungy with Manning and the Colts
Payton with Brees and the Saints

They're pretty much even.

But based on the styles of coaching, I'd honestly go with Dungy, because I like the calm, quiet type of coaching he does.

Yeah, I know Dungy isn't coaching anymore, but he was a great coach when he was in the league.
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02 Feb 2013 02:56 PM
@Ddude

Consider it from this point of view though.
Let's say there are two equal candidates for the head coaching job.
Completely equal.
One is black, one is white.
The owner wants to appeal to the majority of his fanbase.
Who do you think will be hired?
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02 Feb 2013 02:58 PM
It depends, what is the majority ethnicity of his fanbase?
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02 Feb 2013 03:00 PM
Let's say he's a coach in Indianapolis, where the majority of his fanbase is caucasian.
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