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Re: Honestly, though..Final Battles..

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BrianK2355 is not online. BrianK2355
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29 Jan 2013 09:33 AM
..are stupid.

Seriously.

Sometimes I never understand the purpose of Final Battles other than the fact that it breaks a tie (if both sides can assume that there is one).

In most cases, one side has the majority of wins while the other has a large group of losses.

However, it is sometimes hard to tell if one side is winning or not.

Clans capture evidence of their victories but usually it gets backlashed by people stating how they are fake and are manipulated.

War on ROBLOX has basically been turned over to not raids and defends, but rather the evidence, screenshots, and videos that are provided out of it as a way to prove authenticity.

On top of that, we have HRs and members who might deny the sense of loss and continue on with pride while asserting their clan is winning.

Then, we have people who would argue the fairness of the bases and forts and claim the advantages and disadvantages on both sides.

I see this as a huge problem. This distortion in evidence, pride, and the question of fairness pushes clans to resort to Final Battles as a way to end wars when in reality there is a clear winner and loser.

The purpose of countless hours of raids and defends are basically wiped out because of Final Battles.

We saw this problem in the GSC vs. JC War.

Now that a RAT vs. WIJ war has started, I question how this Final Battle will settle anything. Will it? or will there be more backlash, flame wars, and controversy that will occur? What will happen to the raids and defends? Will they be counted or will they be wiped out from the leaderboard?

I believe we have to find some type of new method to settle wars because wars always focus on assumptions on who's the victor and who's not.

Opinions and ideas?

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SubTwentyEight is not online. SubTwentyEight
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29 Jan 2013 09:34 AM
Meeh.. Where's the Tl;dr'd version?
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wakbob is not online. wakbob
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29 Jan 2013 09:34 AM
Final battles should be like the battle for whitrun in Skyrim.
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Jack37b is not online. Jack37b
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29 Jan 2013 09:35 AM
typical blondes.

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SubTwentyEight is not online. SubTwentyEight
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29 Jan 2013 09:36 AM
^
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Jack37b is not online. Jack37b
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29 Jan 2013 09:37 AM
point proven.

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MoolegoTheCow is not online. MoolegoTheCow
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29 Jan 2013 09:38 AM
Generally the whole raid win concept is just about what clan happens to be the most active.
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drdumke2 is not online. drdumke2
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29 Jan 2013 09:39 AM
Kinda.
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luigiman105 is not online. luigiman105
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29 Jan 2013 09:40 AM
Sir, a war should just be on raid wins. If there's a tie, then a final battle should occur.
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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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29 Jan 2013 09:40 AM
Raids are no justified meaning for a win.

A base can easily be made to be harder than another, a final battle requires equal advantages for both sides. Final battles are actually fun too whereas typical raids are just boring and usually result in admin abuse.
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emandms is not online. emandms
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29 Jan 2013 09:41 AM
I find Final Battles completely pointless aswell.
It only leads up to:

"My clan won the actual raids so we won11"
"But we won the final battle"
"No you lost"
"zomg no you"

--[мιnтy ғreѕн]--
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Jack37b is not online. Jack37b
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29 Jan 2013 09:42 AM
Typical blacked hair gurls

always the smart ones :>

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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
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29 Jan 2013 09:44 AM
@Celestus

Totally fun for those not in it.

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zman250 is online. zman250
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29 Jan 2013 09:45 AM
I have the shorter version;

Final battles are dumb because it ends the whole war on one battle. Wars would be better if both sides just raided each other regardless of keeping score until one surrenders or both leaders agree to draw.

There.
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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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29 Jan 2013 09:48 AM
Shattered

Just means you need to practice more. Raids aren't fun, turning up to some base where you aren't aloud to call someone noob in fear of being kicked for flame. If you aren't good enough to fight go train or cry, Roblox is introducing the feature soon so it's not like you have much other option.
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BrianK2355 is not online. BrianK2355
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29 Jan 2013 09:57 AM
@zman

You really did not read what I said..

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BrianK2355 is not online. BrianK2355
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29 Jan 2013 10:00 AM
@Celestus

Now remember.
When there are final battles, it is usually the HRs that participate, not the other members of the clan.

Does the fate of the war rest in the hands of the HRs?

And if Final Battles are fun....the HRs are the ones having the fun, not the other members in the clan who want to participate.

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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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29 Jan 2013 10:02 AM
'@Celestus

Now remember.
When there are final battles, it is usually the HRs that participate, not the other members of the clan.

Does the fate of the war rest in the hands of the HRs?

And if Final Battles are fun....the HRs are the ones having the fun, not the other members in the clan who want to participate.'

If it's a stupid clan where the whole ranking system is based upon ability to fight, but no, the participants of a final battle are chosen on fighting ability. I know this is not how it is done in FEAR, cause you are unorganised and have no real loyal member base, it's just the commune of ODing high ranks, but no final battle teams aren't high rank based, fighting quality based upon ability.
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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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29 Jan 2013 10:03 AM
In simpler words the rank has no effect upon your entry into the final battle, purely fighting ability.
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Recruitsoldier is not online. Recruitsoldier
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29 Jan 2013 10:05 AM
The three big problems with raids are:

1. Controversy on whether a base is fair or not
2. Raiders sitting in a server with 26 people and waiting for the minimum defenders to come so that they can easily win
3. Controversy on admin abuse

And the biggest problem of all is that groups can't accept that they lost. There's always some excuse, and that usually results in flame wars.

I don't like the fact that a war ends based on one battle, because that also usually results in a flame war. Of course, both teams agree beforehand that whoever wins that battle wins the war, but the losing group ALWAYS says something like, "This was unfair" "we won most of the raids" "you AAed" and such...

If groups would just be kind to each other, not be banhappy in raids, not fill up servers with people so that the defenders are outnumbered 5 to 1, make FAIR bases, not bases where the raiders spawn 2x further away or where there's a time limit for raiding, then it would all go well.

But that will never happen, so nevermind. =/
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29 Jan 2013 10:08 AM
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emandms is not online. emandms
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29 Jan 2013 10:09 AM
If the base can't be fair,
at least the raid wins should be legitimate and the clans can focus on qq'ing screenshots about admin abuse and such after.

It would be nice though that after maybe 3 raids, the unfairness of the war can be handled, so that raiding can be fun.

--[мιnтy ғreѕн]--
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BrianK2355 is not online. BrianK2355
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29 Jan 2013 10:10 AM
"I know this is not how it is done in FEAR, cause you are unorganised"

I stopped at there.

Wow.

You just had to flame FEAR.

Just like that.

That's low.

-_-

Sometimes though, fighting ability of a few members does not exactly reflect the clan as a whole.

二把手[[ƑƩΛɌ 2iC]] BrianK2355: The C&G Azn Emperor of the East 恐惧
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drdumke2 is not online. drdumke2
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29 Jan 2013 10:10 AM
I can't think of another system.

Oh wait, just do what we normally do and keep score.
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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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29 Jan 2013 10:13 AM
picks out criticism in argument

fails to respond to any of the points made

/point proved
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