crplsteve
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| 19 Jan 2013 01:02 PM |
For your home work you are to create a report on a past military blunder explaining what when wrong and why it when wrong. You are then to say what you would do if you where the commanding officer in that situation and what you would do instead of what actually happened. Then you are to say how it would of affected the outcome.
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| 19 Jan 2013 03:24 PM |
Operation Bagration was the codename for the Soviet 1944 Belorussian Strategic offensive Operation During World War II. It cleared the German Forces from the Belorussian SSR and eastern Poland between 22 June and 19 August 1944. The operation was named after the Georgian prince Pyotr Bagration, general of the Imperial Russian Army who recieved a mortal wound at the Battle of Borodino. Over half a million germans died, resulting in a great victory for the Red Army. The germans were tricked by the Red Army to send their Panzer army into a 'fake' crysis in Belorussia, which allowed the Russians to get through and strike their most strategic centre, Berlin. If the Germans had not of been distracted, the Germans would have won the battle and the world too. If they had just left about a fifth of their Panzer army, they could of held off Operation Bagration. This was a huge military blunder for the Germans, which cost them the war.
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| 19 Jan 2013 03:25 PM |
Easier to read version:
Operation Bagration was the codename for the Soviet 1944 Belorussian Strategic offensive Operation During World War II.It cleared the German Forces from the Belorussian SSR and eastern Poland between 22 June and 19 August 1944. The operation was named after the Georgian prince Pyotr Bagration, general of the Imperial Russian Army who recieved a mortal wound at the Battle of Borodino. Over half a million germans died, resulting in a great victory for the Red Army. The Germans were tricked by the Red Army to send their Panzer army into a 'fake' crysis in Belorussia, which allowed the Russians to get through and strike their most strategic centre, Berlin. If the Germans had not of been distracted, the Germans would have won the battle and the world too. If they had just left about a fifth of their Panzer army, they could of held off Operation Bagration. This was a huge military blunder for the Germans, which cost them the war.
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| 19 Jan 2013 03:33 PM |
| A couple weeks ago, a clan raided Bismark. We had control of the flag, untill they flanked us from the cave, and shot down the gate. They killed all the x-101st at the flag, like it was nothing. They took control of the flag, and we lost. Every time we tried to flank them, we would fail. Their defense was strong, but ours was stronger. We didn't show it, though. If I was the commanding officer, then I would have told my soldiers to spread out, and defend sperate positions. Not just stand around at the flag. |
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| 19 Jan 2013 03:34 PM |
The battle of arnhem was in the dutch town of arnhem and this was thoguht to be taken by Field marshall Bernard Montgomery to get past the Siegfried Line and attack the Ruhr and to do this they sent in the British 1st airborne division and the polish 1st paratrooper bragade and they would be supported by XXX corps to take the road bridge of arhem called operation Market garden on the 17th of september
This went wrong to start of the Paratroopers landed a fair distanse from there objective of the bridge and when they got there they wear outnumbered but infantry and panzer divisions and the XXX corps were held up because the paras didn't land on target and as the XXX got to the bridge after 9 days of fighting only a fraction of the airborne were left and were withdrawn on operation berlin and the airborne lost over a 3/4 of it's force.
the way they could of provented this is that the paratroopers poilts managed to get a fix on the coordinents of the bridge thus letting them attack with the elemnt of suprice and then the XXX corps could have regrouped with the airborne divisions and take the bridge. so the problem was the inaccuracy of the paras and the information that got to the XX corps and pierce the german line and take the north area of the netherland and end the war quicker. |
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| 19 Jan 2013 04:04 PM |
A raid at Bismarck happened a few days ago,We had the flag just thinking they are so easy but they where talking in team chat.A group of people split up some in the cave some breaking the gate so we where focusing on the people who where smashing the gate but we didn't know that the was raiders coming from the cave and assassinated us. So I learnt my lesson never under estimate raiders. Thank you for reading.
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| 19 Jan 2013 05:03 PM |
| If I lead the raid I would of handled it by splitting us up sme guard the cave some guard the gate and some will be camping near the flag. |
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crplsteve
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| 19 Jan 2013 05:21 PM |
Ok I have viewed all of the posts above Coolguy0409- B-= You covered all of the criteria that I had asked for but you could of included a bit more precise detail. BetterLavaNinjaCat-C+= You covered in great detail the actual blunder. However you didn't say what you would of done in that situation in too much detail. Creepydangerman-A-= You described in amazing detail and said what could of changed the outcome, the only down mark is that you didn't think from a tactical point of view in terms of deployment of the paras and things like that. remember this it may help you gain marks in the future. BlizzardEye-C+= you covered the criteria and you explained it in good detail. However you could of explained more in tactical terms what you would of done. The pass grade for this is C- so if you got higher than that you passed. |
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1111dav9
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| 19 Jan 2013 05:32 PM |
On Friday, we raided RNW and we won. However, we weren't all guarding RNW happened to get the flag back for 2 seconds. We got it back very shortly, but the main problem was that we only had a couple people holding down the flag. If I was commanding this raid, I would have had atleast 5 people guarding the flag and 3 people patrolling the area so that we didn't loose the flag for a minute and get it back with us having to start over. The raid would have gone quicker if we did this.
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longrhino
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| 19 Jan 2013 06:04 PM |
| On the next day, October 2, Vercassivellaunus, a cousin of Vercingetorix, launched a massive attack with 60,000 men, focusing on a weakness in the Roman fortifications (the circle in the figure) which Caesar had tried to hide, but had been discovered by the Gauls. The area in question was a zone with natural obstructions where a continuous wall could not be constructed. The attack was made in combination with Vercingetorix's forces who pressed from every angle of the inner fortification. Caesar trusted the discipline and courage of his men and sent out orders to simply hold the lines. He personally rode throughout the perimeter cheering his legionaries. Labienus' cavalry was sent to support the defense of the area where the fortification breach was located. With pressure increasing, Caesar was forced to counter-attack the inner offensive and managed to push back Vercingetorix's men. By this time the section held by Labienus was on the verge of collapse. Caesar decided on a desperate measure and took 13 cavalry cohorts (about 6,000 men) to attack the relief army of 60,000 from the rear. This action surprised both attackers and defenders. Seeing their leader undergoing such risk, Labienus' men redoubled their efforts and the Gauls soon panicked and tried to retreat. “If I were the commander I would have my men surround the fort and attack around so Caesar's men wont surprise my men from the rear. The fight will stay in the fort and the 13 cavalry cohorts won’t surprise attack. Then I would have the chance to win the battle and also at the end of September, the condition of the Roman army was also weak. They besieged, food had started to be rationed and the men were near physical exhaustion. When my men are around the fort, my men will advance in the fort and kill all Roman soldiers. If one side doesn’t advance, my men that had advance will fight there way through that side that didn’t advanced. The outcome will be, Caesars army is defeated or it will be a bloody war and |
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| 19 Jan 2013 06:05 PM |
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| 19 Jan 2013 06:18 PM |
| Its was a long cold war A few days ago. I made fun of our Raiders i thought they were weak. i attempted To fight them and i was Blown away there skills were Unpeckable! I got rusty and i needed trainning. so i did it get better but i was no match for our raiders and i learn a great lesson, NEVER underestimate Anyone! they can be your hardest foe you have ever faced |
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| 19 Jan 2013 06:38 PM |
(Upgraded version, aiming for an A) Operation Bagration was the codename for the Soviet 1944 Belorussian Strategic offensive Operation During World War II.It cleared the German Forces from the Belorussian SSR and eastern Poland between 22 June and 19 August 1944. The operation was named after the Georgian prince Pyotr Bagration, general of the Imperial Russian Army who received a mortal wound at the Battle of Borodino. Over half a million Germans died, resulting in a great victory for the Red Army. The Germans were tricked by the Red Army to send their Panzer army into a 'fake' crysis in Belorussia, which allowed the Russians to get through and strike their most strategic centre, Berlin. If the Germans had not of been distracted, the Germans would have won the battle and the world too. If they had just left about a fifth of their Panzer army, they could of held off Operation Bagration. This was a huge military blunder for the Germans, which cost them the war. If I was in charge of the Germans,I would have sent half to Belorussia but keep another half here, to protect a very strong and essential point. Then for the Red Army would be held up, and even if the half-army doesn't hold them off, we would have enough time to call in backup, thus saving Berlin and the war from the Soviets. |
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crockdile
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| 19 Jan 2013 07:42 PM |
| A few days ago, Bismarck was raided. We had the flag and thought it was just all to easy... but we realized they had been fixing a ladder, and capturing the trench flag. Which created a great advantage for the raiders. Whilst other raiders were getting through the VIP doors. The main flag was captured, and the trench was being guarded, as was the main base. Thus proves numbers mean absolutely nothing and to never underestimate raiders abilities. -Thank you |
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crplsteve
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| 20 Jan 2013 03:30 AM |
11dav9-C+= You explained what went wrong in good detail and gave a good improvement that would work. To improve you could explain where all the troops where positioned and whether or not the raid leader was effectively managing his or her men. You could of also mentioned where you would of placed your other units to stop the RNW from getting inside the perimeter. longrhino-B+= You explained the tactical situation in amazing detail and then fully explained how you would deploy your troops differently and how it could of changed the outcome of the battle. To improve you need to think about your men such as if they are getting spread too thin and also how you would counter possible counter attacks from the romans if they where about to overwhelm your forces in a sector. BetterLavaNinjaCat-B+= Great improvement you have explained how you would of commanded your troops and took into consideration that the location was a key location in the bigger picture. To improve you could mention about which units you would of sent the elite units or the new fresh units that had no experience. ThisIsProdigy-C-=You identified the fact that its not just the battle and deployment then that can make the difference its things like training and treating everyone like a elite until you know otherwise. To improve you could of explained it in a bit more detail such as troop locations and how the leader deployed his/her troops. Also you didn't explain in terms of troop deployment how you would of changed the battle outcome or tried to. pieisgreat-C+= you explained in good detail how it went wrong and show that complacency can loose a battle. To improve explain more from a tactical stand point saying where troops where deployed If there was any one on walls or guarding doors. Also you could of said how you would of deployed your troops to try and change the outcome.
All of the above include ways that you could improve I'm not asking that you redo the task till you get it perfect just take it on-board for any future assignments and learn from the mistakes which is the only way we learn. Also ThisIsProdigy you just scraped a C- just remember if you can't do this you wont be able to be increased in level of student as fast. Also remember I'm teaching you stuff that may be on your graduation test so pay attention.
DO NOT GO OFF TOPIC PLEASE!(YES THIS MEANS YOU NITROYOSHI)
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| 20 Jan 2013 08:08 AM |
| When we were protecting Fort OB from the raiders we underestermated them and thoguht they were to easy but little did we know they were flanking us via the vip doors then they managed to capture the flag then they managed to defend the base to protect the flag.What we should have done was not underestermate them and gurd the vip doors to aviod being gflanked thank you. |
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freakbee
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| 20 Jan 2013 08:10 AM |
How about learning proper grammar?
Sincerely, freakbee of The Desolate Empire. |
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| 20 Jan 2013 08:16 AM |
| Also we could have tried to outflank them and take out there snipers which were positioned on top of the gate. |
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1111dav9
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| 20 Jan 2013 09:10 AM |
On Friday, we raided RNW and we won. However, we weren't all guarding RNW happened to get the flag back for 2 seconds. We got it back very shortly, but the main problem was that we only had a couple people holding down the flag. If I was commanding this raid, I would have had atleast 5 people guarding the flag and 3 people patrolling the area so that we didn't loose the flag for a minute and get it back with us having to start over. The raid would have gone quicker if we did this. At the raid, bballer909 was in charge of the raid. He didn't completely do a bad job, but the organization was not planned very well, only 2 people were patrolling the flag, while the rest were in the base's building grabbing snipers and not paying attention to the flag. Again, if I were holding this raid, I would tell everyone to let one person go at a time to grab a sniper, then we would have won very quickly.
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| 20 Jan 2013 09:23 AM |
This is my final most improved version that I will do for my report. Striving for an A I will always be.
Operation Bagration was the codename for the Soviet 1944 Belorussian Strategic offensive Operation During World War II.It cleared the German Forces from the Belorussian SSR and eastern Poland between 22 June and 19 August 1944. The operation was named after the Georgian prince Pyotr Bagration, general of the Imperial Russian Army who recieved a mortal wound at the Battle of Borodino. Over half a million germans died, resulting in a great victory for the Red Army. The Germans were tricked by the Red Army to send their Panzer army into a 'fake' crysis in Belorussia, which allowed the Russians to get through and strike their most strategic centre, Berlin. If the Germans had not of been distracted, the Germans would have won the battle and the world too. If they had just left about a fifth of their Panzer army, they could of held off Operation Bagration. This was a huge military blunder for the Germans, which cost them the war. If I was in charge of the Germans,I would have sent half to Belorussia but keep another half here, to protect a very strong and essential point. Then for the Red Army would be held up, and even if the half-army doesn't hold them off, we would have enough time to call in backup, thus saving Berlin and the war from the Soviets. I would have called for tanks, bomber airplanes, and some elite snipers, for snipers can kill imortant targets that will decrease and enemy's morale. The Soviets would be crushed by the experienced backup. Also, the Soviet Army is experienced themselves, so you could not defeat them with new soldiers or reinforcements. |
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