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CamarilloBrillo is not online. CamarilloBrillo
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18 Jan 2013 09:38 PM
"yeah probably my biggest influences right now are the beatles, tmbg, and the jam too maybe if only because they're defiantly british"

just examine their pieces and see what they did special

it was like that structure that i showed you

it generally had a really catchy instrumental intro that hooked you, generally abrupt, steady beat, the vocals generally build a rhythm and the instruments make a beat, lots of harmonies too, angelic sounding

but you need other people for that, use a bit of symphonic and baroque influences if you can, it always makes everything sound better

"yeah but if i ever want the HUMAN ELEMENT in more orchestral pieces, i'd need notation"

unless you're reviewing some of zappa's orchestral stuff you won't need it much

"im not sure if zappa ever even played and sung at the same time??

i'm sure at some point but nothing comes to mind"

it's literally impossible to do a solo or a really off-beat guitar riff and sing at the same time

you need to align the guitar and singing almost, check out i want you (she's so heavy)

sing and play it at the same time, it's extremely easy
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Gramophone is not online. Gramophone
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18 Jan 2013 09:43 PM
"but you need other people for that, use a bit of symphonic and baroque influences if you can, it always makes everything sound better"

i listen to people like pachelbel and mozart and beethoven and such

i suppose i could divide what i want to do up in two ways

beatlesque and tmbg-esque and despite my recent infatuation with the latter, probably large the former is what i'll do

"unless you're reviewing some of zappa's orchestral stuff you won't need it much"

once i get to that level, i'd like to add orchestration to my works, where i feel necessary

"sing and play it at the same time, it's extremely easy"

i'm working on something write now

it's rather easy to play, really
but i have to record the guitar and vocals separate because i have yet to really be able to do both at the same time at all
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CamarilloBrillo is not online. CamarilloBrillo
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18 Jan 2013 09:48 PM
"i'm working on something write now

it's rather easy to play, really
but i have to record the guitar and vocals separate because i have yet to really be able to do both at the same time at all"

i find it very easy to sing and play at the same time, i can play that, rocky raccoon, taxman, and day tripper on lead + vocals at the same time

i'm trying to work on the my sweet lord chords + my sweet lord lead guitar on whistling

i guess it's a inherited trait

though no one in my family is musically adept. . .
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Gramophone is not online. Gramophone
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18 Jan 2013 09:51 PM
when i try to sing and play, i mess up so much


so i've taken to recording the acoustic guitar and then vocals later

i can play chords and sing at the same time decent enough tho
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CamarilloBrillo is not online. CamarilloBrillo
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18 Jan 2013 09:52 PM
well

i've been doing this for a year now

but tap your fingers quickly in this order and maintain conversation

preferably on your fretting hand

pinky
thumb
ring
index
middle

it's a habit now so that's why i could be good at it
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Gramophone is not online. Gramophone
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18 Jan 2013 09:54 PM
piano sort of helps too

i can play a piece and sing for the most pretty well


unless the syncopation is real messed up
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CamarilloBrillo is not online. CamarilloBrillo
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18 Jan 2013 10:06 PM
WTF

YOU CAN PLAY PIANO AND SING

BUT NOT GUITAR AND SING
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Gramophone is not online. Gramophone
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18 Jan 2013 10:08 PM
idk it's harder for me to switch between strings than it is keys


my favorite thing to do is play on top of old smokey like bob dylan lol
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CamarilloBrillo is not online. CamarilloBrillo
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18 Jan 2013 10:11 PM
you must not practice enough or i'm a natural
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Gramophone is not online. Gramophone
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18 Jan 2013 10:13 PM
probably a bit of both

i've never started anything real on guitar until this little project
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CamarilloBrillo is not online. CamarilloBrillo
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18 Jan 2013 10:13 PM
well do what i said

or listen to the song over and over again and keep singing and it'll be second natuer
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Gramophone is not online. Gramophone
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18 Jan 2013 10:16 PM
idk maybe i'll see what i can do with that gamete thing after this too

for that maybe i'll bass and drum arrangements instead of just acoustic
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