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The Self-Determination of Clans

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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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14 Jan 2013 05:18 PM
As of late, leaders have been selling their clans in exchange for power in another clan, and have put their people under that clan's command.

I will be blunt with you. Leaders who do this are traitors to their own people, and don't deserve their respect or the authority granted by a leadership position. They are more sellswords than actual individuals a clan can depend on.

Pragmatic, if you are reading this, I have heard of your recent acquisition of both RoNation and Shadow Nation. On behalf of their peoples', I request that you allow the clans self-determination, the ability to lead themselves. Do not pawn them, individuals, the hard work of others, for simply money. Give them to an individual with the power to revive the clan, and an individual who is dedicated to their peoples', not to the office.

And to the People of RoNation and Shadow Nation, I ask that if you hold your independence and culture dear, that you resist oppression. That you resist rulers being put upon you by a cowardly leader. The fate of your clans is in your own hands.

People of Shadow Nation and RoNation, unite, and preserve your clans! Do not let a unique culture die because none were willing to protect them!

-FalseWarrior000
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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
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14 Jan 2013 05:21 PM
for freedom

~I'm going to live forever, or die trying.~
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deboot is not online. deboot
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14 Jan 2013 05:22 PM
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14 Jan 2013 05:23 PM
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Pragmatic is not online. Pragmatic
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14 Jan 2013 05:30 PM
@deboot
Rumming fire for a starting side and you begin to crap on me on the forums again, enjoy that sword

@OP
As an addition to RN and SN, sorry but this is the last time I've actually agreed doing this but I'm doing this in the name of SC. Not a thought in my mind about the "other" integral of the outcome. If you wanna join the party and cause a major oppression on SC, by all means. I have no fear of war, it's always fun to endure activity change.

As a result, I sell both of the clans so I can successfully pass through Project FPG. Move on with your clans, people. Enough clans have been sold in the past and I've done it myself with some big regrets, but I'm going through with this. You won't stop that.

And if that "cowardly" comment was directed at me, the external conflicts are not necessary.
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Pragmatic is not online. Pragmatic
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14 Jan 2013 05:30 PM
I'm putting out the fire now

Sorry all, but decisions are made.
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deboot is not online. deboot
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14 Jan 2013 05:31 PM
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OwneD1991 is not online. OwneD1991
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14 Jan 2013 05:32 PM
ok false

lets not start anything here.

//-O1
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b3njam1n is not online. b3njam1n
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14 Jan 2013 05:35 PM
I predict Sleet Clan will set up a handful of their own Leaders in each of those clans, and they'll be stuck as SC Puppets. Of course, I blame the Leaders of SN and RN for selling out in the first place most of all..
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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14 Jan 2013 05:36 PM
The "cowardly" comment was not directed at you, Pragmatic.

However, what is the point of engaging in an elicit trade and passing along people who have their own culture to the highest bidder? Why shouldn't they have the right to their own self-determination?
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b3njam1n is not online. b3njam1n
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14 Jan 2013 05:36 PM
FalseWarrior is a very smart guy. I can agree with him here.
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GGGGG14 is not online. GGGGG14
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14 Jan 2013 05:36 PM
hm...
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ObliviousFate is not online. ObliviousFate
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14 Jan 2013 05:38 PM
FOR NARNIA!
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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
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14 Jan 2013 05:38 PM
@False

For their own interests, silly.

~I'm going to live forever, or die trying.~
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Pragmatic is not online. Pragmatic
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14 Jan 2013 05:42 PM
No clan's are being shutdown, and it was made sure of that all leaders buying it would be a good one.

I don't see your point, SN did not impartially "mind" the transfer as long as SC was good enough for them. RN was mainly mad due to SkyDubnium.

@deboot
Okay I don't even care anymore, do what you gotta do
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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14 Jan 2013 05:48 PM
While I am not aware of the situation in SN to the fullest, I understand their is a great deal of discontent in RoNation, and little of that has to do with Skydubnium at all.

What I suggest is you find a worthy leader in the clan and give it to them, rather than selling it off. In your hands you hold the ability to give those clans a chance at leading themselves...and sometimes, such is worth more than any amount of ROBUX can buy.
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14 Jan 2013 05:48 PM
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8SunTzu8 is not online. 8SunTzu8
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14 Jan 2013 05:52 PM
How much are you selling them for?

@False, here's a way to compromise, find a way to buy the clans and become the owner yourself, and then do as you feel is right.

Or perhaps ask the members of those clans directly, and see what they want.

"If you want to become a Developer or Innovator for CSA, contact me."
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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14 Jan 2013 05:57 PM
I would Sun, but the poor man tends to lack funds for such.:(
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8SunTzu8 is not online. 8SunTzu8
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14 Jan 2013 05:57 PM
I have 50k to 70k in limiteds.

I don't have BC...

:/

Although, I don't know how much clans like RoNation or Shadow Nation would cost a person.

"If you want to become a Developer or Innovator for CSA, contact me."
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Reaven is not online. Reaven
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14 Jan 2013 05:59 PM
I could buy it, but it's not valuable to me in any way. I haven't done anything except with APN for 3 years so it won't change probably.
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b3njam1n is not online. b3njam1n
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14 Jan 2013 06:05 PM
Why not just give it for free instead of selling it? It's kinda awkward seeing people negotiate on how they'll buy said clans when it'd be better if the Owner would just give them to a good leader.
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8SunTzu8 is not online. 8SunTzu8
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14 Jan 2013 06:08 PM
Prgamatic isn't going to give them away for free.

So if you want to give them away for free to a decent leader, then you need to negotiate on buying one...

"If you want to become a Developer or Innovator for CSA, contact me."
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b3njam1n is not online. b3njam1n
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14 Jan 2013 06:12 PM
"Prgamatic isn't going to give them away for free."

That's my question though. Simply, why? How is it a hard thing just to do that? Apparently he's already 'commited' but that's simply Bee Ess in my eyes. I don't view Pragmatic as a good leader in any way if he's just here to profit off of the expense of other Clans.
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b3njam1n is not online. b3njam1n
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14 Jan 2013 06:13 PM
The reason it's such a big deal about whether the Clans get bought vs. whether they are given to a already 'there' leader is because this is the same bullcrap that causes Clans to go to people like deboot and infuscate.

They get stuck in the "loop" where they'll end up dying from inactivity. It matters.
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