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Re: Is scripting too hard for roblox's demographics?

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HoloEverywhere is not online. HoloEverywhere
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11 Jan 2013 01:10 PM
I surely do wondered why people in places like C&G, LMaD and others didn't quit their repetitive tasks and became motivated to learn scripting. Not to mention, people who go on the forums generally tend to have more maturity and grammar than the typical Roblox player. To point out, having 50% if not even a mere 20% of the forum's population would bring forth massive brainpower to the scripting realm.

How can we make learning scripting easier? Although there are people who are willing to script but not sacrifice the time in order to do so, I've come across many people who actually did want to learn, and in fact, I've taught one of my close friends the basics of scripting (if/while/function(event)/etc.) in a mere 20 minutes or so and he now has lots of fun playing around at Script Builders.

I think it is our job to improve the beginning scripting tutorials on the wiki because they are outdated, unpolished, and visually intimidating (the simplest way to beat this problem is to break things up to multiple chapters). I hope Gordonrox realizes that lack of wiki staff isn't the problem, but instead the lack of important and vital articles is.

so discuss? Inb4flamesjustbecauseiamtenal
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Candymaniac is not online. Candymaniac
Joined: 08 Oct 2009
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11 Jan 2013 01:19 PM
Well, people don't care about these stuff to be honest. All they care about is popularity, power, and that stupid statistic called 'KOs' in your profile. It's literally pointless to encourage them to learn scripting because face it - this generation is all about call of duty.

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HoloEverywhere is not online. HoloEverywhere
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11 Jan 2013 01:27 PM
You hold a strong point, however there are still people who want to script. We should do our parts to make scripting as easy to learn as possible (Lua is unbelievably easy)
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Radioaktiivinen is not online. Radioaktiivinen
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11 Jan 2013 01:28 PM
By not making studio feel like an obscure pro developer tool that heavily utilizes fancy windowsy widgety widgets and is hidden deep in de directory hierarchy tree? :3
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SN0X is not online. SN0X
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11 Jan 2013 01:32 PM
we can't make scripting easier, unless ROBLOX implements a drag-n-drop feature

and that would destroy our proffesional child reputation

so no.
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Catblox is not online. Catblox
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11 Jan 2013 01:33 PM
LabVIEW is drag and drop, SN0X, and it's the preferred programming language for engineering.

What now?
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SN0X is not online. SN0X
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11 Jan 2013 02:18 PM
engineers != programmers; they don't spend their time programming
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HoloEverywhere is not online. HoloEverywhere
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11 Jan 2013 02:18 PM
@sn0x
Not necessarily, not at all.
Are you opposing just because I am op?
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AbsoluteLOL is not online. AbsoluteLOL
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11 Jan 2013 02:19 PM
"Are you opposing just because I am op?"
Probably not, but because of that question an argument is abound to start momentarily.
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SN0X is not online. SN0X
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11 Jan 2013 02:21 PM
no, of course not.

i don't like your post but my reply is my honest opinion

we don't want drag n' drop. not now, not later, not never
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HoloEverywhere is not online. HoloEverywhere
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11 Jan 2013 02:23 PM
Did I ever say to incorporate drag and drop?
The only kind of drag and drop I want is GUI resizing. Hell, there are tools for resizing bricks, why not GUIs? Eh, either way that's irrelevant.

I'm not saying to make scripting easier, I'm saying to make LEARNING scripting easier.
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SN0X is not online. SN0X
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11 Jan 2013 02:25 PM
read my first reply again, then nosepalm because you realise that IMO the only way to make lern scriptng easier is to drag n' drop
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HoloEverywhere is not online. HoloEverywhere
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11 Jan 2013 02:27 PM
No, the way we make learning scripting easier is to make tutorials less intimidating, more straightforward, more modern, and simply better.
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FoolHater is not online. FoolHater
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11 Jan 2013 02:29 PM
^
It would cut down on threads in Scritping Helpers called "How do I make a Gui?"
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SN0X is not online. SN0X
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11 Jan 2013 02:35 PM
lol tenal

we know you'd like to learn to script

but you're just looking in the wrong places.

there are plenty of friendly tutorials out there, you just have to look for them in the right place.
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NVI is not online. NVI
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11 Jan 2013 02:37 PM
There's no way to make it easier without losing the meaning of it all. If people want to learn, then they will. Otherwise, mind your own business.
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Seranok is not online. Seranok
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11 Jan 2013 02:39 PM
For most, programming is a means to an end.
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NVI is not online. NVI
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11 Jan 2013 02:42 PM
To be honest, I have no desire to write scripts for games I play, even if they inherently support it like Garry's Mod or Roblox. If I didn't already know how to program, I wouldn't learn it to play those games.
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HoloEverywhere is not online. HoloEverywhere
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11 Jan 2013 02:44 PM
If anything, you don't know how to script. I'm not here to turn this thread into an argument (and guess what, I knew this was going to happen), but I will put this out there when you said that you knew everything Lua had to offer except gsub (you added an exception to make your claims more realistic). That turns out to be unrealistic because gsub is one of the easiest string manipulation functions. Is it really that hard?

string.gsub("SN0X started foruming here two years ago", "years", "months")

Heck, if you don't know that, what are the chances of you knowing more complicated and sophisticated functions in string manipulation?

There, I have proven your claims false. Your replies will be ignored starting now.
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NVI is not online. NVI
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11 Jan 2013 02:45 PM
Also, some people simply do not have the capacity to comprehend computer logic, however straightforward it may be. I do wonder how these people survive daily life, but that's irrelevant.
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AbsoluteLOL is not online. AbsoluteLOL
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11 Jan 2013 02:48 PM
"If anything, you don't know how to script"
Oh for Christ's sake...
Here we go again. You know, Tenal, this could have easily been avoided provided that you ignored SN0X. Hell, simply not being sarcastic in the first place would've prevented this. I am truly questioning your maturity (or lack thereof) right now.
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NVI is not online. NVI
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11 Jan 2013 02:49 PM
Holy ___, Tenal. You're a complete idiot, I don't even know how else to say it. Continually attacking SN0X for that shows how immature and close-minded you are. Not knowing how string.gsub works and being told you can't program is comparable to keeping a saltwater aquarium and not knowing how tannins leach into water from driftwood. It's extremely specific and completely irrelevant to 99% of what you'll deal with.

If you really knew how to program yourself, you'd know that string.gsub is absolutely irrelevant. No, it's not an example of anything, that's a poor excuse for reasoning and you know it.
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AbsoluteLOL is not online. AbsoluteLOL
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11 Jan 2013 02:53 PM
I would also like to point out how you derailed your own thread with malice simply because SN0X posted a reply on it. Quite frankly, you provoked him into being sarcastic by blatantly rejecting his opinion like a jerk.
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HoloEverywhere is not online. HoloEverywhere
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11 Jan 2013 02:54 PM
@absolute
Woah hold on there.
SN0X previously said on this thread that the reason why I posted this thread was because I didn't have the brain capacities to understand scripting. I retaliate and you point fingers at no one but me? Evidently he started it.

@nvi
First off, I know it is irrelevant and I have never used string.gsub for anything half useful. However, don't blame me that sn0x previously mentioned to me that he knew everything Lua offers except gsub.
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NVI is not online. NVI
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11 Jan 2013 02:56 PM
> However, don't blame me that sn0x previously mentioned to me that he knew everything Lua offers except gsub.

Why does this matter? You JUST admitted you never use string.gsub for anything useful.
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