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| 02 Jan 2013 06:26 AM |
As high ranks, we always want to improve Vortex Security by introducing new rules/systems, updating old stuff and making it a great clan for you to be in.
In order to do that, we need your opinion too. That's why I'd like to ask you a few questions about VS.
How it works: - You must be in Vortex Security - Copy every item below in a reply to this thread - Give each item your grade (1 out of 10, 1 being lowest, 10 being highest) - Give for each item a reason why you gave that grade - At the end you can write down remarks, of things you'd like to see changed in VS, and why
Promotion System (to low ranks) Grade: Reason:
Promotion System (to high ranks) Grade: Reason:
Rank Names Grade: Reason:
Divisions (generally) Grade: Reason:
Trainings Grade: Reason:
Remarks:
Thank you for filling out this questionnaire.
- Commander opperblox24 |
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fernak
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Sinfully
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| 02 Jan 2013 06:31 AM |
Promotion System (to low ranks) Grade: 7 Reason: Makes sense in theory.
Promotion System (to high ranks) Grade: 1 Reason: Doesn't promote based on ability to lead.
Rank Names Grade: 9 Reason: 'Head Commanders' should be 'Head Commander'
Divisions (generally) Grade: 5 Reason: Not enough divisions for Lower Ranks
Trainings Grade: 7 Reason: Not consistently good.
Remarks: I'm enjoying VS as I start my 3rd day in the clan. |
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| 02 Jan 2013 06:31 AM |
Remarks:
Corrupt bigots, work-ethic about as good as a 3rd world cholera factory and constant new systems that get the group nowhere.
Overall a good group to have spent nearly 2 years slaving for to get back-stabbed many times. Luckily I still have loyalties to friends and to the group as a whole. |
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| 02 Jan 2013 06:35 AM |
Promotion System (to low ranks) Grade: 9 Reason: Good, I like how it's not really strict, it's more laid back than in other clans.
Promotion System (to high ranks) Grade: 8 Reason: Great! But sometimes it's hard to get a higher rank.
Rank Names Grade: 10 Reason: HOW DO YOU THINK OF THOSE NAMES?
Divisions (generally) Grade: 9 Reason: Military Police is too inactive for a 10. Stormtroopers is baws.
Trainings Grade: 9 Reason: Most are good, just a few a bit "-ishy".
Remarks: Great! I love Vortex Security, I'm a Year-Veteran now - and I'm proud of what I've achieved. |
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| 02 Jan 2013 06:38 AM |
Promotion System (to low ranks) Grade:D Reason:I have seen many things, people with many points that can be protomed yet are passed up and people who did terrible in trainigns and get promoted, almost an F here.
Promotion System (to high ranks) Grade:I was only a captain currently, dont know. Reason:
Rank Names Grade:A Reason:Does'nt matter to me
Divisions (generally) Grade:C Reason:Not easy to get in But yet to hard.
Trainings Grade:C Reason:Mediocare.
Remarks:Overall:B
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RoFact
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| 02 Jan 2013 06:39 AM |
Promotion System (to low ranks) Grade:9 Reason: I think it's very fair.
Promotion System (to high ranks) Grade: 7 Reason: It's alright, maybe abit of improving.
Rank Names Grade:10 Reason: Great names for Ranks.
Divisions (generally) Grade:7 Reason: Please bring back Marines and the others
Trainings Grade: 9 Reason: They're mostly good, maybe abit more friendly.
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| 02 Jan 2013 06:40 AM |
Promotion System (to low ranks) Grade: 3 Reason: Quite often the rank progression of those who are most deserving is poor usually without fault from the low rank but the system. People can progress who are just more vocal and those who actually put the work in are often overlooked.
Promotion System (to high ranks) Grade: 4 Reason: Captain Evaluations don't prove anything and current HRs don't help the system.
Rank Names Grade: 4 Reason: Generic, don't make VS stand out, the new ranks added are pointless and no ranks have the same authoritive nature as was the case in the past. Justin had the best system and it is a shame VS felt they needed to jump on the bandwagon of adding new ranks for the sake of adding new ranks.
Divisions (generally) Grade: 6 Reason: Some divisions are extremely poorly controlled with nothing very much direction e.g. Military Police whilst others have some direction e.g. VSST. Hawks and Falcons however are pointless, get rid of them. Get rid of the "NO UNOFFICIAL DIVISIONS RULE" it actually promoted activity and a sense of role playing within the group and joined members of the group more than the "Official" ones do.
Trainings Grade: 4 Reason: Training in one place by running from one side of a room to another whilst someone is chasing you with a LinkedSword is hardly an apy training session. You need to be training the Members in proper combat conduct, simple combat techniques and gbive them regimented discipline at trainings instead of appearing as some jack the lad figure. You need to work more on strategy and less on fun, people don't progress if they're having fun, they just stay within their comfort zone. Whilst it is always going to be hard to train members of a virtual site it is not impossible, get a few bases together with two teams and get them to carry out certain strategies with adequate execution which is representative of an actual raid instead of a mother's meeting. I would be more than happy to talk to you in how I could aid this new method.
Remarks: VS isn't the clan it used to be partly due to poor High Rank Leadership, often the best highR anks are capped to stay at the rank of Colonel and the clan is seemingly coasting without direction. You need to partake in more military ventures as for a superclan you are relatively adept. Remove inactive layabout High Ranks and get a Leader who is caring about the Members. Your Member count has stuck at 90k+ for too long, either you start to adapt and reform PROPERLY instead of pretend you're all new or you will become part of the decaying side of C&G.
Apologies for any typos.
Former Advisor and 3iC Jimbo |
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| 02 Jan 2013 06:40 AM |
Promotion System (to low ranks) Grade: 7/10 Reason: Eh it's okay, could change how easy it is to get promoted though.
Promotion System (to high ranks) Grade: 8/10 Reason: Again, it's ok. Although I've noticed a lot of high ranks still don't have those skills required to 'pass' the academy.
Rank Names Grade: 10/10 Reason: no more rank changes at all pls
Divisions (generally) Grade: 5/10 Reason: THEY NEED TO ACTUALLY HAVE PURPOSES AND DO SOMETHING MORE THAN TRAININGS
Trainings Grade: 6/10 Reason: we learn nothing from them
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trainings suck right now. its the exact same thing every time.
bottom line: fix trainings make divisions better (not including st cus thats all ok) |
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| 02 Jan 2013 06:42 AM |
Some HRs such as tml get their authority by ODing and being "tough" to low ranks but it doesn't prove anything aside from the fact they're morons.
Make ONE Uniform for all instead of this snobbery with about 500 Uniforms all different colours. Stop introducing new rules, get a Fort instead of Vulcan and Valor and move away from just staying as you were, GET SOME DIRECTION WITH A GOOD GENERAL THEME. |
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| 02 Jan 2013 06:47 AM |
| I agree with jimbo about the low ranks promotion system. |
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| 02 Jan 2013 06:52 AM |
Promotion System (to low ranks) Grade: 7 Reason: generaly only people who try hard and respect others are promoted.
Promotion System (to high ranks) Grade: 5 Reason: Sometimes you get promoted to a high rank by the ability to lead, other times it is by knowing a HR as a freind.
Rank Names Grade: 9 Reason: Generaly good, but commander is a navy rank and the army equivilent is below General
Divisions (generally) Grade: 6 Reason: Most are active, but some are extreamly unactive.
Trainings Grade: 8 Reason: Some trainings get out of control and the trainer does not do enough to correct this.
Remarks: Everything I have said is based of 1.5 years of experience in VS.
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lcoea2001
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| 02 Jan 2013 06:54 AM |
From Lcoea2001 To opperblox24
Promotion System (to low ranks) Grade: 10 out of 10 Reason: I give a 10 out of 10 because the promotion system is just fine.
Promotion System (to high ranks) Grade: 9.9 out of 10 Reason: I give 9.9 out of 10 because I don't know the high ranks promotion system.
Rank Names Grade: 9.5 out of 10 Reason: I give a 9.5 out of 10 because of the spelling of Head Commander.
Divisions (generally) Grade: 9 out of 10 Reason: I give a 9 out of 10 because two divisions are the same and those are Falcons and Stormtroopers.
Trainings Grade: 7 out of 10 Reason: I give a 7 out of 10 because trainees doesn't anymore respect and listen to trainers.
Remarks: I want the VS members to discipline and respect one another and no flaming.
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saumibane
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| 02 Jan 2013 07:14 AM |
Promotion System (to low ranks) Grade: 10/10 Reason: Excellent, makes sense.
Promotion System (to high ranks) Grade: 7/10 Reason: Seen many unskilled HR's.
Rank Names Grade: 10/10 Reason: No need for changing ranks.
Divisions (generally) Grade: 10/10 Reason: Those names, just epic.
Trainings Grade: 6/10 Reason: More discipline from trainees.
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trainings suck right now. its the exact same thing every time.
bottom line: fix trainings make divisions better (not including st cus thats all ok) |
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saumibane
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| 02 Jan 2013 07:15 AM |
Actually, more discipline needed for training's they don't suck that much.
~Credit to nathan for the bottom line. |
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| 02 Jan 2013 07:21 AM |
I agree with Jimbo , mostly.
|~EB~| ExplicitBass one day'er |
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| 02 Jan 2013 07:24 AM |
Promotion System (to low ranks) Grade: 6/10 Reason: To easy right now, ranks are overflowing.
Promotion System (to high ranks) Grade:9/10 Reason: We should have skilled HRs.
Rank Names Grade: 3/10 Reason: We have to many pointless ranks.
Divisions (generally) Grade: 4/10 Reason: Little bit to much.
Trainings Grade: 3/10 Reason: Some HRs are to "nice" to kick anyone.
Remarks: I liked Justgoaway1's system best.
~~VS Stormtrooper Commander, Veteran Ms75~~ |
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| 02 Jan 2013 07:31 AM |
You're not a VS Veteran. end of |
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| 02 Jan 2013 07:40 AM |
I agree with what jimbo said, here are my answers,
Promotion System (to low ranks) Grade: 8 Reason: It does make sense and is easy for them to get a promotions just by going to some trainings.
Promotion System (to high ranks) Grade: 2 Reason: Doesn't promote based on ability to lead (Agreeing with sinfully there)
Rank Names Grade: 10 Reason: They are easy to pronounce and fun to get a hold of.
Divisions (generally) Grade: 4 Reason: There are a lot of divisions for the Higher Ranks, but wt about the lower ranks, it just seems unfair, they should get some divisions.
Trainings Grade: 4 Reason: There are to many idiots going to your training and doing what they want, messing with admin, that all should stop, and I mean now, I have had trainings gone wrong and so have many high ranks, they have had to cancel like I have because the lower ranks are copying what the Higher Ranks do with their admin. THAT SHOULD ALL STOP!
Remarks: I want a new rule what is like, "No using admin if it isn't your training, ask before you do", if that was introduced there would be less admin abusing and less Low Ranks following what the foolish high ranks do in trainings and then doing it in that training aswell as the forts. |
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| 02 Jan 2013 07:45 AM |
| I care less of what people think of me, but I don't like the way people act..., Any comments for me, say it to me, not via forum... |
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| 02 Jan 2013 07:56 AM |
Promotion System (to low ranks) Grade: 7/10 Reason: There are a few low ranks getting promoted and demoted randomly.
Promotion System (to high ranks) Grade: 9/10 Reason: We have many great high ranks, with great leadership. We only have a small issue of high ranks being inactive.
Rank Names Grade: 4/10 Reason: Most ranks don't go with the kind of military we are, we are not air force, neither naval army.
Divisions (generally) Grade: 6/10 Reason: We have a few useless divisions, our limit of divisions should be 5, including the main division.
Trainings Grade: 9/10 Reason: I love the training, but free-for-all and tournaments may be a small issue. Those should be removed because they are useless, and I don't see how it helps.
Remarks: This is my experience as a low rank.
-Former VS General 5iC. -VS Veteran.
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| 02 Jan 2013 08:46 AM |
Promotion System (to low ranks) Grade: 6 Reason: It's easy to slaughter the untrained idiots who run around like headless chickens. You're giving away promotions for killing a few headless chickens, half the time, you have to make sure they are put to the test, have them fight somebody of skill, someone of actual knowledge of fighting.
Promotion System (to high ranks) Grade: 2 Reason: You do stuff such as promote for being a high rank for two weeks. This really shouldn't be the case, you should be looking at their ability to lead and train their soldiers to be the best they can be. You're looking at it all wrong, our HRs should have the ability to take aside the headless chickens and turn them into elite soldiers.
Rank Names Grade: 8 Reason: I don't think the names of the ranks really have much of an effect, as long as you don't add too many and don't make them silly, we'll be fine.
Divisions (generally) Grade: 6 Reason: We are lacking divisions for lower ranks, it makes people feel small to know they're just main division VS and half the people around the base can be lower ranks and have symbols such as, Falcons and ST above their heads, giving them more authourity, without even having to put in the effort to obtain promotions. And sometimes they are higher ranks, who have earned their position, they make people feel small, but they do it in a way that the soldiers look up to them for being such great leaders, asking for advice and recieving good advice that only experienced soldiers can give, whereas the low ranking Falcons and other such people, will just hand out advice like: "lol, go to trainings and kill lots of people." Useless advice, some of the lower ranking people in the division are in there and do hand out usefull advice as anyone who deserves to be in said division should.
Trainings Grade: 5 Reason: They go either way, the trainers are somewhat lacking discipline, I've been to a few trainings where the trainees are acting more mature than the trainers. We need to make sure our high ranks can actually discipline and train the soldiers, not just yell at them and give them weapons, seeing who comes at out on top, which half of the time is a fifty/fifty chance anyway, it's useless that way. We should be looking at actually training our soldiers.
Remarks: We could've done a whole lot better, it's the HRs letting us down, mostly. And the LRs doing it need to be disciplined better, something the HRs are supposed to do anyway, so when you HRs are yelling at a soldier who has no discipline, remember, you are the ones who are supposed to have implemented said discipline into the soldier, It almost always comes back to the failings of the HRs. |
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