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Re: Why the Gun Argument is already over.

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mew96 is not online. mew96
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22 Dec 2012 02:02 PM
An Argument is always a GOOD THING! Yes it can cause stress and embarrassment, however IN THE END if both sides are true to their hearts and are smart in their decisions, they will always progress.

If one becomes stubborn that is when an argument is pointless. This is politics, sad part is none of us can tell who is stubborn in politics, so we listen to one side and then the other and then go "Well this side seems to be telling some justified stuff" and then we have an opinion.

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On the term of Gun Control arguments the Liberals think we should limit weapons to HANDGUNS, HUNTING RIFLES, and in few cases I have read Shotguns can be allowed.

The argument has always been going on since Columbine, however it only becomes strong when school shootings happen and the Conservative's only see these arguments happen when these events happen and it is always used as an attack from them to the Liberals.

What makes the argument done is that we have already seen people point at random stuff already.

People on FOX News blame that God has been taken out of School. As a Christian, I recognize other religions or the lack of one and his name in school AS A FACT can offend people, and I know God himself believes as well.

I call balls to that claim.

The NRA blames video games. I do believe that people in an unstable condition can be affected and influenced by them, however that is something THE PARENTS should be responsible for. Would you let your kid watch X Rated movies? THEN DON'T LET YOUR INSANE CHILD PLAY BATTLEFIELD 3!

I call balls to that claim.

WHY WOULD YOU NEED AN ASSAULT WEAPON TO PROTECT YOUR FAMILY? It is stupid. Get a Shotgun or a Handgun and keep it hidden from others. Assault Weapon's are stupid and those who use it for hunting should not be out there in the first place. If your aim is that bad you need 100 Bullets fired each second to hit that deer, your to old to hunt. Get arthritis medication.

All I have to say.
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dxhardys12 is not online. dxhardys12
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22 Dec 2012 02:04 PM
pretty accurate I'd say
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UberWillard is not online. UberWillard
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22 Dec 2012 02:05 PM
by accurate do you mean reinforcing your own prejudices
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dxhardys12 is not online. dxhardys12
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22 Dec 2012 02:09 PM
and by that you mean you disagree and probably only skimmed it or are a member of the NRA
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TheFakeCommander is not online. TheFakeCommander
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22 Dec 2012 02:10 PM
Define an assault weapon.
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gamert7 is not online. gamert7
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22 Dec 2012 02:12 PM
"An Argument is always a GOOD THING! Yes it can cause stress and embarrassment, however IN THE END if both sides are true to their hearts and are smart in their decisions, they will always progress."

Nope.

"On the term of Gun Control arguments the Liberals think we should limit weapons to HANDGUNS, HUNTING RIFLES, and in few cases I have read Shotguns can be allowed."

But, their argument makes no sense. The person shooting the gun needs to take responsibility.
"You can not legislate stupidity or insanity."

"The argument has always been going on since Columbine, however it only becomes strong when school shootings happen and the Conservative's only see these arguments happen when these events happen and it is always used as an attack from them to the Liberals."

I know it is their only ammo.

"People on FOX News blame that God has been taken out of School. As a Christian, I recognize other religions or the lack of one and his name in school AS A FACT can offend people, and I know God himself believes as well."

What is your point here.

"I call balls to that claim."

I do not care.

"WHY WOULD YOU NEED AN ASSAULT WEAPON TO PROTECT YOUR FAMILY?"

That is not why the 2nd amendment was written in the first place. It was written to overthrow a tyrannical government.

"It is stupid. Get a Shotgun or a Handgun and keep it hidden from others."

How is it stupid? Semi automatics are perfect guns that many people use. Also a hand gun is to slow and a shotgun shoots a array.

"Assault Weapon's are stupid and those who use it for hunting should not be out there in the first place."

What makes them stupid? Why should people only use bolt action? If you shoot the deer in the leg you can finish him off shortly after with a semi automatic.

"If your aim is that bad you need 100 Bullets fired each second to hit that deer, your to old to hunt. Get arthritis medication."

Nobody is shooting 100 bullets a second to hit a deer. SO why mention it?
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dxhardys12 is not online. dxhardys12
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22 Dec 2012 02:16 PM
"It was written to overthrow a tyrannical government. "

which, with our constitution (combined with current government incompetance)
is about as likely as winning the lottery while simultaneously being struck by lightning
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gamert7 is not online. gamert7
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22 Dec 2012 02:25 PM
^Your blind.
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mew96 is not online. mew96
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22 Dec 2012 02:26 PM
"Nope."

Why not?

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"But, their argument makes no sense. The person shooting the gun needs to take responsibility.
"You can not legislate stupidity or insanity."

Pres. Obama has pushed legislation to increase access to Mental Health institutes since he was put in office.

Your argument is invalid

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"I know it is their only ammo."

My point. Republicans attack Liberals for only caring when disasters strike but fact is they always care and that is why this type of bills have been pushed into Congress for years on years.

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"What is your point here."

My point is that an Athiest can be offended by forced into praying to God or acknowledging his existence into school. It takes a Christian to put that kind of logic into their heads.

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"That is not why the 2nd amendment was written in the first place. It was written to overthrow a tyrannical government."

That does not make sense. If your OVERTHROWING A GOVERNMENT then YOU DO NOT FOLLOW IT and that means YOU BREAK THEIR LAWS so "If" a type of gun is outlawed (Assault Weapons), then you BREAK THE LAWS TO KICK THEIR ***!

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"How is it stupid? Semi automatics are perfect guns that many people use. Also a hand gun is to slow and a shotgun shoots a array."

When was the last time you heard of a robber carry anything more than a handgun or a knife. A Shotgun or the threat of a fight can easily make them leave. Once they are outside they are the police's job.

Not many robbers want to get into a fight while breaking in. They want to steal, sell, and get out with no scars. They may have a weapon but in most cases have shown to be weak against one.

My neighbor, when I lived in Oklahoma, was robbed one time. The father only came down with a handgun and the wuss went on his knee's and begged, even handed him his weapon.

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"Nobody is shooting 100 bullets a second to hit a deer. SO why mention it?"

The NRA is. They constantly use Semi-Automatics as hunting weapons.

The NRA is full of old people anyway.

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TheFakeCommander is not online. TheFakeCommander
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22 Dec 2012 02:31 PM
The only guns that fire 100 bullets per second are miniguns, and yes there might be a few legal ones but i doubt they are used.

Most massacres are done with handguns anyway instead of semi-automatic rifles, and semi-automatics have legitimate uses.
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22 Dec 2012 02:31 PM
"^Your blind."

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TheFakeCommander is not online. TheFakeCommander
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22 Dec 2012 02:41 PM
What if an intruder is wearing body armor by the way? AFAIK even light armor stops buckshot but to stop a rifle bullet at point blank range you will need very heavy armour.
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mew96 is not online. mew96
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22 Dec 2012 02:45 PM
What if an intruder is wearing body armor by the way? AFAIK even light armor stops buckshot but to stop a rifle bullet at point blank range you will need very heavy armour.
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That was the Liberal argument in the Aurora Shootings, in retaliation to when people said that their should be more armed people. My argument is where the hell was Batman?!?!?
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gamert7 is not online. gamert7
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22 Dec 2012 02:47 PM
Batman was out buying a gun.
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mew96 is not online. mew96
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22 Dec 2012 02:56 PM
Read Action Comics.

When Batman was in Manhatten testing out his wings. He used a Gun.
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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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22 Dec 2012 03:45 PM
'the Liberals think we should limit weapons to HANDGUNS, HUNTING RIFLES, and in few cases I have read Shotguns can be allowed.'

You stupid?

Liberalism is the idea of freedom, so if anything they would take the opposite position in keeping guns perfectly legal.
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TheFakeCommander is not online. TheFakeCommander
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22 Dec 2012 04:16 PM
Liberals =/= liberals, Liberals == Democrats
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XC6Alt12 is not online. XC6Alt12
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22 Dec 2012 04:59 PM
"Liberals == Democrats"

Didn't make me laugh. Next joke, please.
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Person299 is not online. Person299
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22 Dec 2012 05:13 PM
People who have the intention of going out and shooting someone aren't likely to care about the legal ramifications of owning an illegal weapon, and it's been made painfully obvious in the past that the US isn't capable of completely controlling commodities within it's borders, so if someone really would want to obtain a banned assault weapon, then it's very likely they're going to be able to, if they don't want to deal with the added hassle, then they're just going to get some semi automatic pistols, which are just as deadly. If you try to ban assault weapons, at most you're only going to save a few lives if any, and peeve off thousands of assault weapon owners who have never misused them and have every right under the constitution to own them.
And I'd just like to point out the fact that every other 16 year old in Switzerland walks around town with their assault rifle slung over their shoulder headed to the local firing range, and that country has almost no violent crime.
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XC6Alt12 is not online. XC6Alt12
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22 Dec 2012 05:17 PM
"People who have the intention of going out and shooting someone aren't likely to care about the legal ramifications of owning an illegal weapon"

Says who?

"and it's been made painfully obvious in the past that the US isn't capable of completely controlling commodities within it's borders"

"completely controlling" is impossible in every single situation, so obviously a huge giant isn't going to be able to stop a neighbouring country slipping in once or twice.

"If you try to ban assault weapons, at most you're only going to save a few lives if any, and peeve off thousands of assault weapon owners who have never misused them and have every right under the constitution to own them."

One situation =/= outcome.

"And I'd just like to point out the fact that every other 16 year old in Switzerland walks around town with their assault rifle slung over their shoulder headed to the local firing range, and that country has almost no violent crime."

The Texas Sharpshooter fallacy.
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22 Dec 2012 05:31 PM
"Says who?"

I personally believe it'd be safe to assume that an individual who doesn't apparently care about the legal ramifications of murder would probably care less about the much less serious legal ramifications of owning an illegal weapon, do you not agree with that logic?

'"completely controlling" is impossible in every single situation, so obviously a huge giant isn't going to be able to stop a neighbouring country slipping in once or twice.'

While I agree that they're probably going to be able to stop a very large percentage of illegal weapons, in my personal opinion, the individuals who already have a great deal of experience in smuggling into the US, AKA dr_ug smugglers, are likely to use that same experience to smuggle gun components, and I don't personally like the idea of drug smugglers having a civilian monopoly on assault weapons.

"The Texas Sharpshooter fallacy."

It seems to me as though blaming the problem on the existence of guns is irrational when other countries have many more guns than we have, and don't have problems with violent crime. It seems to me as though the problems are social issues in the United States, not the fact that guns exist in the United States.
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22 Dec 2012 05:51 PM
"I personally believe it'd be safe to assume that an individual who doesn't apparently care about the legal ramifications of murder would probably care less about the much less serious legal ramifications of owning an illegal weapon, do you not agree with that logic?"

I disagree entirely. I'm sure the man that took place in the recent murder in Connecticut had agreeable morals, like any other person. You don't get people 'born' bad.

"It seems to me as though blaming the problem on the existence of guns is irrational when other countries have many more guns than we have, and don't have problems with violent crime. It seems to me as though the problems are social issues in the United States, not the fact that guns exist in the United States."

It seems to me that this may not be the case, and I was not implying it was because of the existence of guns.
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gamert7 is not online. gamert7
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23 Dec 2012 07:23 AM
"I disagree entirely. I'm sure the man that took place in the recent murder in Connecticut had agreeable morals, like any other person. You don't get people 'born' bad."

Okay if i murder somebody. Why would i care about the weapon i am using..? Makes no sense.
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AeLiSTaS3 is not online. AeLiSTaS3
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23 Dec 2012 07:33 AM
It seems to me as though blaming the problem on the existence of guns is irrational when other countries have many more guns than we have, and don't have problems with violent crime. It seems to me as though the problems are social issues in the United States, not the fact that guns exist in the United States.

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No country on earth has more guns that USA per capita.

 United States 88.8
 Serbia 58.2
 Yemen 54.8
 Switzerland 45.7
 Cyprus 36.4 (hells yeeh)
 Saudi Arabia 35
 Iraq 34.2
 Finland 32
 Uruguay 31.8
 Sweden 31.6
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