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Re: My opinion on Arcen: Flames, skill, etc.

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Olethrus is not online. Olethrus
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18 Dec 2012 12:09 AM
--THIS WILL BE A LONG THREAD. SKIP TO THE SECTION WITH *** FOR TL;DR VERSION--


I: Does Arcen go overboard with flaming[in game. Forums will be in section IV]
II: Arcen Development
III: Arcen Skill
IV: Arcen on the forums
V: What could change/be improved about Arcen
VI: General view of Arcen


-I- Does Arcen go overboard with flaming in game? -I-

I, myself, admit to flaming. However, do I think Arcen may flame too much in game? Yeah, actually, I do. Do I think flaming is generally a bad thing? No, not at all.

Flaming becomes a problem when it causes a distraction.

Example 1: Raiding an enemy base with "No flaming rules"- Halfway through the raid, half our team is banned.
Example 2: Members spend so much time typing and flaming that they forget they have a flag/terminal/capture point to defend and it either gets recapped[at an enemy base] or capped[at our base].

If flaming is distracting your members from preforming the task at hand, it is a problem.

Is flaming generally a bad thing? No. We're in a community full of competitive people, striving to have their clan come out on top. Could you imagine how ridiculously boring it would be is we were all friendly with one another? No wars would be fought(aside from 'friendly' ones) and that would defeat the very purpose we play this game for.


-II- Arcen Development -II-

One downfall I can say for Arcen is the development. Do I mean our tech is/is going to be bad? No, our tech is going to be as great as we hype it up to be. The downfall is the extremely slow production of it. We hire our developers, and unfortunately we have to work around their schedule. This causes the production rate of our technology to be extremely slow at times.

-III- Arcen Skill -III-

I've been seeing a lot of "Arcen doesn't even train!" stuff flying around. I'll put it out there right now that we do not host trainings often. The reason for this goes back to section II. We have designed an extremely intricate training system and it is taking some time for it to be completed.

At this point in time, we see our constant raids as training enough. We've lost, approximately, a grand total of 3-4 raids we have launched and 0 defenses at The Tumulus. I think Arcen is just fine, and is exceeding standard clan definition, in the skill department. Most of our members are extremely trained from either ISOLAYTORs previous clans or just previous clans in general. If we know they are not as skilled as we believe they should be, we DO train them.

I'm not going to go on a bragging rant and say that Arcen has more skill than any other clan, but I will say that our skill far exceeds many clans.

--IV-- Arcen on the forums --IV--

If you're looking for some people to hate on Arcen with, the perfect place is this sub-forum. It's riddled with Arcen/ISOLAYTOR haters.

One of the main reasons I see people say they dislike Arcen is this: The way Arcen acts on c&g.

I will put it out there now that, no, I am not making excuses for our behavior. It is just simply what it is.

"Arcen is superior!"
"Heil the great Arcen"
"ISOLAYTOR is best leader!"

Trust be told, this is our form of propaganda, if you will. Most of the c&g Arcen spam is created by you guys. We may each post a thread occasionally(by we, I mean 3-4 of us), and by the end of 10 minutes the entire page is filled with "@Arcen" "@Iso" "Arcen is -something hateful here-" etcetc.

Do we think we are superior? No. We don't know every clan in ROBLOX. Do we think we're good? Yeah, we think we're great. We are NOT going to put our clan down and say it is bad, especially when we know, more than anyone else, that it is not.

Now, moving on to flaming on the forums. Do I see this as a bad thing? No, absolutely not. We are in a community of people from war clans. Wars are not friendly. Yes, I know this is not real life and these are not real life wars, but we are a group of competitive people in clans STRIVING to have our clan come out on top.

If we were all friendly with each other, this already extremely boring clan world would be even more boring. It would defeat the exact purpose us clan people are here for. There would be NO fun whatsoever.

It creates tension, it created excitement, it created entertainment. People EAT UP flame wars. Half these people LOVE to see them, and they should. It's the reason we are here: To see what this clan is going to pull next, or to see what that clan is going to say about this one.

If you're going to take online flames on a GAME to heart in real life and self harm because of what someone says about your online clan, then you've got issues, kid.

I can understand if someone is flaming someones real life. I do not agree with that whatsoever, but if it is involving a clan, or calling someone stupid because of their actions online, etc then what is the big deal? Someone says your clan is bad? Prove them otherwise or just ignore them.

I'll let it be known that Arcen, more specifically the HRs[ISO, Imperiatus, myself] could not care less if you hate us or flame us. May we try to counter your arguments? Absolutely. Will we try to prove you wrong? Absolutely. Will we try to change your opinion? Absolutely. But if we can't? Who cares, everyone has an opinion.

--V-- What could change/be improved about Arcen --V--

Yes, I admit Arcen has its flaws. I could care less about the flames on the forums, but I do think we could cut back of in-game flames. It is distracting.

Another major flaw I see is the slow production of our technology. Unfortunately, the only way we could change that is to hire more devs to work for us, but that is hard to find. There is not all that much we can do about that.


--VI-- General view of Arcen --VI--

Call me biased, but I do believe that Arcen is an extraordinary clan. I do think ISOLAYTOR is a fantastic leader. I think Imperiatus, Reisjin, Evess, the other HRs and myself do a great job with Arcen. Arcen is a great clan, despite what c&g thinks about us or what you see us post on the forums, we are an extremely friendly clan with one another. We're all typically great friends, we communicate outside of ROBLOX, we play other games with one another. We have a great in-clan community.

We are extremely active for such a small clan.
We are extremely skilled for our size and considering the amount of time we spend training[which is not much], that is a great thing.



**TL;DR**
-Does Arcen go overboard with flaming in game? Yes, it's a distracting, a lot of the time.
-Arcen Development: Extremely slow
-Arcen Skill: Extraordinary for a clan that doesn't host many trainings. Far exceeds the standards of most clans.
-Arcen on the forums: Purely propaganda or flame wars that fuel the very reason we all participate in clans.
-What could change/be improved about Arcen: Cut back on in-game flaming, speed up the development.
-General view of Arcen: Arcen has it's flaws, yes, but it is a great, active clan with a great in-clan community.



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TravisGamer is not online. TravisGamer
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18 Dec 2012 12:10 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8
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SolarSentient is not online. SolarSentient
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18 Dec 2012 12:10 AM
You forgot


arcen>you


heil jessus
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Sheoboroc is not online. Sheoboroc
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18 Dec 2012 12:11 AM
Ok...
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WereWolf07 is not online. WereWolf07
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18 Dec 2012 12:12 AM
What solar said.
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Olethrus is not online. Olethrus
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18 Dec 2012 12:13 AM
I'd much rather my own members take the time to actually read the entire thing and post intelligent remarks or feedback rather than "Arcen > you heil jessus!"

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SolarSentient is not online. SolarSentient
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18 Dec 2012 12:14 AM
Was thought out well, good work
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18 Dec 2012 12:16 AM
@Travis; I died from absolute laughter
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Olethrus is not online. Olethrus
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18 Dec 2012 12:20 AM
You all always asks for reasons to why we do what we do. I gave you them, took the time to make an intelligent thread, and you're all "TLDR1!! HAR HAR HAR HAR

Way to prove a point, kids.

There is a TL;DR version. Since half of you who commented on this are frequent haters of Arcen, at least post an intelligent comment so I don't think you're a complete imbecile and disregard any future comments you make about Arcen.

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OwningDutchMan is not online. OwningDutchMan
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18 Dec 2012 12:26 AM
lmao:

fanboys: 'ARCEN > YOU!!!'

haters 'ARCEN< ME!!'

am i the only one who just couldn't care less about all this arcen stuff?
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thea96 is not online. thea96
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18 Dec 2012 12:32 AM
Arcen is only getting attention because of the amount of CnGers who forum and the flamers making threads. Then other flamers join in on the fun and flame more.
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18 Dec 2012 12:34 AM
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Olethrus is not online. Olethrus
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18 Dec 2012 12:43 AM
Looking for some intelligent feedback or opinions here...
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thea96 is not online. thea96
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18 Dec 2012 12:45 AM
Dont expect much at this time of night
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18 Dec 2012 12:48 AM
@Travis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WSYIddWOM
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jamiethedevil is not online. jamiethedevil
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18 Dec 2012 12:52 AM
From what I have seen as a C&G'er myself that C&G makes most of the Arcen threads.
Most of them are against Arcen, so come and make the points against them defending Arcen.

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XxcelticwarriorxX is not online. XxcelticwarriorxX
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18 Dec 2012 12:55 AM
Yeah. thats nice.
I skipped to Tl;dr part.

True love < Arcen


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Olethrus is not online. Olethrus
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18 Dec 2012 01:01 AM
@Jamie, I will tomorrow
I'm much too tired right now. I'll bump this tomorrow

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18 Dec 2012 01:03 AM
Hi Ole..

Pew pew, flame, ban, hi.
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18 Dec 2012 01:06 AM
Tl;dr part was to long.
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18 Dec 2012 11:46 AM
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18 Dec 2012 11:49 AM
@Travis I love that video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8
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Omnishade is not online. Omnishade
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18 Dec 2012 11:50 AM
brop says arcen is like one massive cashpop and i am starting to believe him
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18 Dec 2012 11:56 AM
This is very well written, and you've clearly put some thought into it. Thank you also for not being blindly fanatical to the idea of your group being superior to all.

See? This is how all of c&g should be.
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