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Re: Self defense with a gun is not self defence

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TheOnion1 is not online. TheOnion1
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13 Dec 2012 12:03 PM
It is 2nd degree murder durrhurr
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CheeseForEveryone is not online. CheeseForEveryone
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13 Dec 2012 12:27 PM
Your name is relevant.
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XC6Alt5 is not online. XC6Alt5
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13 Dec 2012 12:34 PM
You can defend yourself without murdering someone.
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CheeseForEveryone is not online. CheeseForEveryone
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13 Dec 2012 12:37 PM
XC, some men don't care if they die, they just want to see everything around them suffer as much as possible first. Some men just want to profit at any expense to others. Those men need to die for the good of humanity, and when they die, they'll do it while making one last pitiful effort to rob others of something they have.

Note that men who just want to profit at any expense to others includes both normal criminals and the criminals on Wall Street.
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XC6Alt5 is not online. XC6Alt5
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13 Dec 2012 12:39 PM
"some men don't care if they die"

Which is why you shouldn't give them the easy way out.

" Those men need to die for the good of humanity"

Why do they?
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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13 Dec 2012 12:43 PM
I have no sympathy for the bstard who attacks my house with intent to rob and or kill.
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XC6Alt5 is not online. XC6Alt5
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13 Dec 2012 12:46 PM
"I have no sympathy for the bstard who attacks my house with intent to rob and or kill."

If you're attempting a serious argument, please look up the actual definition for 'bastard' and try again.

It doesn't matter if you have sympathy or not. Lives are precious and you are a killer.
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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13 Dec 2012 12:48 PM
If they choose to waste their precious life its not my problem. They are of no use to the society anyway.
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XC6Alt5 is not online. XC6Alt5
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13 Dec 2012 12:49 PM
"If they choose to waste their precious life its not my problem. "

They don't choose to be shot! YOU choose to shoot them!

"They are of no use to the society anyway."

Community service? Rehabilitation?
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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13 Dec 2012 12:51 PM
If i dont shoot they shoot and rob me, hardly a better alternative.
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XC6Alt5 is not online. XC6Alt5
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13 Dec 2012 12:52 PM
"If i dont shoot they shoot and rob me, hardly a better alternative."

I'm sure if you back down they wouldn't shoot you, unless they were psychotic madmen anyway, in which case very little can help you.
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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13 Dec 2012 12:54 PM
Normal people dont rob other people, its safe to presume they arent at the height of mental stability.
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XC6Alt5 is not online. XC6Alt5
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13 Dec 2012 12:54 PM
1. define "normal" without being subjective

2. well there are different levels of mental stability. robbing =/= brutally killing someone.
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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13 Dec 2012 01:00 PM
You are clinging to semantics, you know what i mean.
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TheOnion1 is not online. TheOnion1
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13 Dec 2012 01:15 PM
Use a baseball bat instead
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CheeseForEveryone is not online. CheeseForEveryone
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13 Dec 2012 01:15 PM
See, when you have to shoot someone in a break in, it's to defend your livelihood. Your life, your belongings, your family, your pets, everything. You shouldn't back down because that leads to your home and life being attacked and possibly stolen. They know the risk going in, and if they leave in a body bag, it is a consequence of their own actions. Humanity is one of the only species that murders itself for personal gain, the only species that takes pleasure in death. Criminals dying is just a form of natural selection as it is bred out of man.
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XC6Alt5 is not online. XC6Alt5
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13 Dec 2012 01:18 PM
"See, when you have to shoot someone in a break in, it's to defend your livelihood. Your life, your belongings, your family, your pets, everything."

What about their life? Their livelihood? Their pets? Their families? Their CHILDREN?

" You shouldn't back down because that leads to your home and life being attacked and possibly stolen."

But there are alternative ways of discombobulating and disarming someone than taking their life.

"They know the risk going in"

But who's to say they consider the risks? A lot of stuff like this happens under the influence of alcolol and other substances.

"and if they leave in a body bag, it is a consequence of their own actions."

No, it's a consequence of you loading a gun and shooting him/her.

"Criminals dying is just a form of natural selection as it is bred out of man."

>Implying criminality is genetic. If so, I'm going to laugh.
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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13 Dec 2012 01:20 PM
They should have thought about their life before making the decision that has the potential to get them shot. If i go jumping around in a clearly marked minefield its not the minelayers fault i was too stupid to live.
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TheOnion1 is not online. TheOnion1
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13 Dec 2012 01:22 PM
Also just use your chainsaw on burgalurs
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XC6Alt5 is not online. XC6Alt5
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13 Dec 2012 01:22 PM
"They should have thought about their life before making the decision that has the potential to get them shot."

I've already said that people who do this are commonly under the influence and therefore probably wouldn't at the time.
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CheeseForEveryone is not online. CheeseForEveryone
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13 Dec 2012 01:26 PM
XC, say a man is a drunk. Torments his wife, his kids. Wife stands up for herself, fights back. He gets sick of it, still drunk, hops in car to drive to the bar. Gets in a wreck, his head thrown 40 feet away from his neck.

It's his fault he hopped behind the wheel while under the influence. His choice. Why doesn't this apply to robbery, in your eyes?
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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13 Dec 2012 01:27 PM
I've already said that people who do this are commonly under the influence and therefore probably wouldn't at the time.
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Go commit a crime and tell a judge it's not your fault, because you were intoxicated. Tell me how that works out.
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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13 Dec 2012 01:27 PM
You can control yourself under the influence.
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19Josh19 is not online. 19Josh19
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13 Dec 2012 01:27 PM
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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13 Dec 2012 01:28 PM
@avo

Atleast in here being intoxicated is actually a mitigating circumstance.
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