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Re: @Ibsonic's "This needs to be discussed"

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gavindude97 is not online. gavindude97
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09 Dec 2012 09:24 PM
I have created my own sort of type of war system. It is basically like Ibsonic's, but a little bit more details.

The wars are basically involving an unconditional surrender in the end. One way or another, one of the warring clans is going to surrender. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

The war begins with a simple declaration. For example, if my clan, The Crimson Infantry were to go to war, I would write a thread most likely with the title "TCI-Declaration of War against [Clan name]." The thing with this is that it needs to have a valid reason to be in a war. For example, I would go around the lines of "[Clan name] has been interfering with areas of interest involving TCI." We don't need those stupid, immature reasons like disputes between two people. That can be resolved in a diplomatic way.

After a while, the war is going on. The raids and all that don't really count too much. They count for how much the warring clans are dominating eachother. We can try not to flame and whining, but like me getting an A in math, it's not going to happen. You have to make your soldiers have enough self-discipline to not flame and whine. If things go this way, be like me, and go with the flow.

So the war is drawing to an end. One of the warring clans are near the brink of surrendering. This next part is just an example. Within a day, you get a message with the subject around the lines of "[Clan name]'s Unconditional Surrender." The message is details involving their surrender such as time and the HR's that agreed to the surrender.

Next comes the treaty. You go to your meeting place with your HR's and the surrendering clan's leader and HR. You agree to terms of surrender if you need to. For example, a term of surrender I would put is "I would like for your clan to no longer interfere with anything TCI related. If your clan is to step foot within an area of interest for TCI, there will have to be more terms."

HOWEVER, THERE CAN BE THE CONS OF THIS!

We all know there are many clans with big egos. (I know, many examples) For example, say the clan is almost ready to collapse in the war, yet their ego stops them from doing so. Your clan, on the otherhand, is tired of the war you've had, and is ready. You surrender. You meet on terms of surrender and whatnot.

There you have it!

All credit for helping me detail this goes to Ibsonic.
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gavindude97 is not online. gavindude97
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09 Dec 2012 09:30 PM
Added idea:

There can be an amrastice in the end if both clans want to end the war. No winners, no losers. Just a neutral agreement between the warring clans. This can work on more than 1 clan. If you are warring with more than 1 clan, then you can get those to pull out of the war. However, if one clan doesn't agree, then the war between you and them still continues until a surrender is made by either you or them.
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Strieken is not online. Strieken
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09 Dec 2012 09:35 PM
I'm positive that Castellian/TGI would be willing to put this into effect. However what needs to be done is have major super clans agree on this, and put it into effect. From there, almost every other clan will start using it.

It's like how ColourTheory changed the way clans fought wars/raided/etc. If we can get the majorly influential clans to agree to this, then the smaller clans will fall into step.
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gavindude97 is not online. gavindude97
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09 Dec 2012 09:43 PM
@Strieken

I propose we try to keep this up and let it be noticed by superclans. If we can get the majority of superclans to use this, then the majority of clans will use this aswell.
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Strieken is not online. Strieken
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09 Dec 2012 09:45 PM
Aye. I'll link this to Brick, and DoctorCooper (FEAR). If you can contact high ranks in UAF or something of the sort, go for it. RAT would be a good one too.
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gavindude97 is not online. gavindude97
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09 Dec 2012 09:48 PM
I will try to when I can.
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ibsonic is not online. ibsonic
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09 Dec 2012 10:54 PM
This is what I meant.
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XxMrMoonmeatxX is not online. XxMrMoonmeatxX
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09 Dec 2012 10:57 PM
Great idea.
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ibsonic is not online. ibsonic
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09 Dec 2012 10:59 PM
This is going to be implemented in my clan. Thanks for detailing it. I'm impatient, so details hate me.
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gavindude97 is not online. gavindude97
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10 Dec 2012 06:41 AM
@Ib

If it isn't too much, I would like to somewhat take up this policy. I agree 100% with it, but until clans today change their whole whining epidimic about who wins raids and the whole loss of ego.
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gavindude97 is not online. gavindude97
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10 Dec 2012 06:42 AM
Let me finish the rest. I fell half asleep and didn't finish.

I agree 100% with it, but until clans today change their whole whining epidimic about who wins raids and the whole loss of ego, we can only use the surrender when you are truely dominating the war.
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ibsonic is not online. ibsonic
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10 Dec 2012 06:00 PM
gavindude97.

Yes, egos need to be fixed.
I like the way you said that wars need good reason to happen. These day's diplomacy is need.
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gavindude97 is not online. gavindude97
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10 Dec 2012 07:45 PM
@Ibsonic

I may not be in a big clan or capable or war, but I plan to keep my clan active. I do accept the idea of having a friendly war if it is 100% friendly. Not 99.9999%, but 100% friendly.
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ibsonic is not online. ibsonic
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10 Dec 2012 08:38 PM
?

Ok.
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CapRex213 is not online. CapRex213
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10 Dec 2012 08:40 PM
Not sure how to understand this.

Basicly it's just that a clan declares unconditional surrender when they're tired of the war or completely exhausted?
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ibsonic is not online. ibsonic
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10 Dec 2012 08:44 PM
@CapRex
Indeed.
Or they can declare peace with a treaty.
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CapRex213 is not online. CapRex213
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10 Dec 2012 08:46 PM
"Declare peace with a treaty"

Due to clan egos, declaring peace goes like this

"okay guys, you give us all your stuff and we make a peace treaty, or else we declare war again and hack you and steal your accounts"
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COMANDERMILLER67 is not online. COMANDERMILLER67
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10 Dec 2012 08:46 PM
I want to be funny, but at the same time, I want to have a serious talk about this, what I think of a defense system where instead of a classic "Spawn in Base-Members; Spawn in Cave-Raiders" I'm thinking of a battleground, and in the middle of the maps is a flag that you need to capture for 20 minutes. Like King of the Hill. I think of it as an entertaining system of war.

~Mr. Zebra~
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ibsonic is not online. ibsonic
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10 Dec 2012 08:48 PM
Egos need to be made.
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COMANDERMILLER67 is not online. COMANDERMILLER67
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10 Dec 2012 08:49 PM
Well I haven't fully devoloped it. That is why the base for my group isn't finished.
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ibsonic is not online. ibsonic
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10 Dec 2012 08:50 PM
Oops. Egos need to be dealt with.
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gavindude97 is not online. gavindude97
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11 Dec 2012 06:37 AM
I am trying to consult with the C&G Council and Catlord5 to help officialize a war system.
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