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Re: The Definition of "Balance".

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BrianK2355 is not online. BrianK2355
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08 Dec 2012 12:42 AM
I have gotten word that the TGI base Stronghold is not as balanced as it seems.

For one, the Officers get a powerful pistol of some sort. If there is a lot of officers in the server, it becomes a very OP weapon.

Two, the bomb only activates when there are 5 people in the server. This is a problem considering the fact that TGI members can easily switch to the allies team to prevent the bomb from detonating and allow the server to reset.

Third, I am getting word that TGI chooses to NOT defend their bases in order to prevent FEAR wins. What is this? Seriously. And then TGI moves on the offensive and continuously raids FEAR's fort Atlas to rack up their wins without the worry of defending.

The sides of this war is unbalanced. I chose to balance the war by creating a balanced fort for FEAR. But TGI doesn't want to play fair it seems and wants to push on to the offensive without having to worry about losing a defense.

For TGI, I ask three things:

Remove the 5 people requirement. Seriously. My fort doesn't have a script to even do this. Reason? Obviously to keep the raider's flag from NOT reseting or stopping...unlike the TGI fort.

Get rid of these Officer pistols or whatever. Play fair. Just like what I did with my fort. Both sides have the same weapons.

Add strategic capture points. My fort includes these for a good reason. They help both sides in organizing attacks and defenses.

I want this war to be fair and balanced and to improve activity.

And please, stop with the flaming. I see it on both sides, FEAR and TGI.

If these terms are not met, I am shutting down Atlas completely.

TGI will be left with Alianor II, Cryo, and Terra (along with the "rocket ships").

TGI: I gave you the balanced fort, and now you must give us a balanced fort that is EQUIVALENT to ours.

二把手[[ƑƩΛɌ 2iC]] BrianK2355: The C&G Azn Emperor of the East 恐惧
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cpmagicdude is not online. cpmagicdude
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08 Dec 2012 12:46 AM
1st
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aceslayer111 is not online. aceslayer111
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08 Dec 2012 12:48 AM
Nice.
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Protectorzz is not online. Protectorzz
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08 Dec 2012 12:48 AM
FINALLY A SINGLE DROP OF SENSEFULNESS IN THIS WHOLE THING
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HeatSucks111 is not online. HeatSucks111
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08 Dec 2012 12:49 AM
"Remove the 5 people requirement. Seriously. My fort doesn't have a script to even do this. Reason? Obviously to keep the raider's flag from NOT reseting or stopping...unlike the TGI fort."

If you remember when Borealis was released, FEAR constantly kept empty server raiding because CT didn't have that implemented.
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iKeno is not online. iKeno
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08 Dec 2012 12:49 AM
yes.
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xman57 is not online. xman57
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08 Dec 2012 12:50 AM
Finally someone tells them about their unbalanced base!V Here comes the flames below, by our lovely friends.
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BrianK2355 is not online. BrianK2355
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08 Dec 2012 12:52 AM
@Heat

There should be a way to fuse Allies and TGI teams together.



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ToberDam is not online. ToberDam
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08 Dec 2012 12:53 AM
A chatlog between Iroc and I as of yesterday (Sorry for not asking iroc ahead of time if I could C/P this)

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/juF0uW8e at pastebin
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The officer pistols are 6 shot kills, they are fine as we use them much less due to the quicker killing of the Reaper-5.

Everything else is explained in the chatlog
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JoshiiMoshii is not online. JoshiiMoshii
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08 Dec 2012 12:53 AM
hi.
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xman57 is not online. xman57
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08 Dec 2012 12:57 AM
@Tober, As an apart of the agreement, we tried to reach with TGI. TGI would remove the Officer pistols and we'd remove our demolishers. We came through with our end of the bargain, how about your turn?
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BrianK2355 is not online. BrianK2355
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08 Dec 2012 12:58 AM
@Tober

That fort needs fixing.

That's all I can say.

Just like how you demanded the guns to be fixed from me.

I want that TGI fort fixed first so both forts are on the same level.

Otherwise, I am closing Atlas for good.

二把手[[ƑƩΛɌ 2iC]] BrianK2355: The C&G Azn Emperor of the East 恐惧
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BoostPowah is not online. BoostPowah
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08 Dec 2012 01:00 AM
For one, the Officers get a powerful pistol of some sort. If there is a lot of officers in the server, it becomes a very OP weapon. - *You realized we nerfed it right?*

Two, the bomb only activates when there are 5 people in the server. This is a problem considering the fact that TGI members can easily switch to the allies team to prevent the bomb from detonating and allow the server to reset. - *This is how we keep you from ESRing. We enforce not to change to allies as well. Instead of complaining just tell us who changed to allies and we'll handle it.*

Third, I am getting word that TGI chooses to NOT defend their bases in order to prevent FEAR wins. What is this? Seriously. And then TGI moves on the offensive and continuously raids FEAR's fort Atlas to rack up their wins without the worry of defending. - *When you flood the server and make it impossible for any TGI to come in (and I mean 20/20 FEAR) we aren't going to defend it.*

The sides of this war is unbalanced. I chose to balance the war by creating a balanced fort for FEAR. But TGI doesn't want to play fair it seems and wants to push on to the offensive without having to worry about losing a defense. - *You got three wins a couple of days ago, we won three servers at Atlas in return. Stronghold is also updated to have more cover, a smaller swamp, and now one way inside which increases traffic for both sides (TGI locking out FEAR, vice versa).*

For TGI, I ask three things:
Remove the 5 people requirement. Seriously. My fort doesn't have a script to even do this. Reason? Obviously to keep the raider's flag from NOT reseting or stopping...unlike the TGI fort. - *Nope, this will and always stay. Asking to remove it is asking if you are allowed to ESR.*

Get rid of these Officer pistols or whatever. Play fair. Just like what I did with my fort. Both sides have the same weapons. - *Again, we nerfed it in return for the Demolisher nerf. Although we have heard about some new FEAR-specific weapons of yours that perform quite questionably.*

Add strategic capture points. My fort includes these for a good reason. They help both sides in organizing attacks and defenses. - *Brick is working on a new raid system; I'm tired of the same old bomb system as you are.*
I want this war to be fair and balanced and to improve activity. - *Don't we all? We've worked to make it fair as well, but you don't seem to recognize that.*

And please, stop with the flaming. I see it on both sides, FEAR and TGI.
If these terms are not met, I am shutting down Atlas completely.

TGI will be left with Alianor II, Cryo, and Terra (along with the "rocket ships"). *I'm fine with Cryo, but God forbid Alianor. That place is a hot mess. I haven't seen Terra yet, so I will not comment on it. And trust me, if you think getting even with a false claim and adding more OP weapons, we're not going to appreciate it. Should you re-add the rocket ships expect to lose a lot more raids.*

TGI: I gave you the balanced fort, and now you must give us a balanced fort that is EQUIVALENT to ours. - *Seeing by your assumptions that we didn't nerf the revolver and had not made any updates to SHII I think we've made our end of the deal. Don't make it worse.*


~ The Booster of Boosters, the Deliverer of Powah, the Bearer of Augmented Vision ~
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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
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08 Dec 2012 01:01 AM
I think nerfing the pistols is as good as removing them. I think the officer pistols were there in the first place for disciplinary measures I believe.

However, I do disagree with the "Do not go to servers being empty server raided" rule.
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BrianK2355 is not online. BrianK2355
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08 Dec 2012 01:02 AM
@shattered

I would remove them completely to keep it on the safe side.

二把手[[ƑƩΛɌ 2iC]] BrianK2355: The C&G Azn Emperor of the East 恐惧
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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
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08 Dec 2012 01:03 AM
Naw naw naw

they would rack disciprin
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roboticman1212 is not online. roboticman1212
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08 Dec 2012 01:03 AM
If they don't take out the OP, then we bring back the DEMO.
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BrianK2355 is not online. BrianK2355
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08 Dec 2012 01:04 AM
@Boost

"we have heard about some new FEAR-specific weapons of yours that perform quite questionably"
New? What do you mean? They are not new if you're referring to the G3A3 and the KM50.

Plus, both sides have access to these guns.

And these guns have advantages and disadvantages too.

二把手[[ƑƩΛɌ 2iC]] BrianK2355: The C&G Azn Emperor of the East 恐惧
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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
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08 Dec 2012 01:04 AM
However, when 5 TGI enter the server everyone dies and the server resets.

What is the point? The. Game. Resets.
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BoostPowah is not online. BoostPowah
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08 Dec 2012 01:07 AM
@ brian

It may just be the aforementioned rocket ships I'm thinking about.

It's still just stupid to make the whole "wepun balans" situation worse by adding those rocket ships because we apparently did not nerf the Revolver (which is 6-shot-kill as Tober said).

When was the last time you actually *did* raid SHII?

~ The Booster of Boosters, the Deliverer of Powah, the Bearer of Augmented Vision ~
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spyman741 is not online. spyman741
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08 Dec 2012 01:07 AM
Yea delete there spawns in the flag at atlas make it unfairer
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BrianK2355 is not online. BrianK2355
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08 Dec 2012 01:08 AM
@Shattered

And when one TGI leaves when the bomb is close to detention..

ya.

二把手[[ƑƩΛɌ 2iC]] BrianK2355: The C&G Azn Emperor of the East 恐惧
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eletrowiz is not online. eletrowiz
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08 Dec 2012 01:08 AM
Just have a baseplate with swords and carbines.

First to 500 kills gets the win.

Easy.

-={3137}=-
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aceslayer111 is not online. aceslayer111
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08 Dec 2012 01:09 AM
"When was the last time you actually *did* raid SHII?"

That depends,

When was the last time you actually *did* defend it?
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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
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08 Dec 2012 01:09 AM
Those are reportable and punishment is swiftly taken.

But seriously. THE GAME. RESETS.
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