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XC6 is not online. XC6
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03 Oct 2012 11:02 AM
What's your view on using physical assertion to 'teaching a lesson' to children?

I'm personally fully against it.
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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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03 Oct 2012 11:03 AM
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mikeyman10ash is not online. mikeyman10ash
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03 Oct 2012 11:04 AM
You can't teach that hitting is wrong by hitting.
You can't teach that yelling is wrong by yelling.
A timeout or a talk with the child could do the trick if you do it right.
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XC6 is not online. XC6
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03 Oct 2012 11:05 AM
Can I ask why?
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Oreology is not online. Oreology
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03 Oct 2012 11:05 AM
If you teach him about obedience and discipline, then to a certain extent.

If you're teaching him about other things or he did something wrong, you can only correct him/warn him.

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XC6 is not online. XC6
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03 Oct 2012 11:06 AM
@mikey I fully agree with you.
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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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03 Oct 2012 11:07 AM
if you use physical force to make a point, the chances are that victim is going to use physical forces to make his points.
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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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03 Oct 2012 11:07 AM
not to mention it will probably increase school shootings
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mikeyman10ash is not online. mikeyman10ash
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03 Oct 2012 11:08 AM
@XC

Well smacking them then telling them not to smack your little sister or big brother is nothing but hypocritical.
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Oreology is not online. Oreology
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03 Oct 2012 11:11 AM
As I said, it fully depends on what you're trying to teach him.

For example, if he is fully disobedient with you and never listens to you, then you have the right to physically smack so that he could teach him morals.

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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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03 Oct 2012 11:11 AM
if an adult hit me i would hit them back, maybe not if a woman or policeman but still
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XC6 is not online. XC6
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03 Oct 2012 11:11 AM
"then you have the right to physically smack so that he could teach him morals."

And what morals does spanking imply, exactly?
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mikeyman10ash is not online. mikeyman10ash
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03 Oct 2012 11:13 AM
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None, really. Technically, all religions were started out as peaceful religions and morals. Then when their existence came under threat, they fought back. So I guess that most people, religious or not, resort to physical violence to teach discipline.
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03 Oct 2012 11:17 AM
"Then when their existence came under threat, they fought back. So I guess that most people, religious or not, resort to physical violence to teach discipline."

You cannot teach discipline and obedience to an obedient, vulgar child who never listens to you, lies to you, swears at you. You can't just keep warning him and do nothing physical.

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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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03 Oct 2012 11:17 AM
morals are self-taught generally anyway, it is wrong to exert a physical force to enforce your morals upon somebody else. it is what the three jewels of monotheism are historically known for doing and it is ridiculous.
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03 Oct 2012 11:19 AM
'You cannot teach discipline and obedience to an obedient, vulgar child who never listens to you, lies to you, swears at you. You can't just keep warning him and do nothing physical.'

you mean not obedient i am guessing - also there is usually a reason the child swears, doesn't listen or lies - either because they are having a bad upbringing (how did they learn those swear words to begin with?) they could even be mentally wrong.
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Oreology is not online. Oreology
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03 Oct 2012 11:20 AM
"you mean not obedient i am guessing - also there is usually a reason the child swears, doesn't listen or lies - either because they are having a bad upbringing (how did they learn those swear words to begin with?) they could even be mentally wrong."

It's called having the wrong friends.

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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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03 Oct 2012 11:22 AM
so now you are hitting your child because of the people he has made friendships with?
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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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03 Oct 2012 11:23 AM
and it's not always because they have the wrong friends, you can't know this for sure - your just going ahead and blaming other people now, sounds typical of somebody this outdated towards the modern world.
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XC6 is not online. XC6
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03 Oct 2012 11:24 AM
Usually a child follows his/her mother a lot more closely than his/her friends. In my opinion, being around friends that swear a lot wouldn't justify bad behaviour. Attitudinal problems could be a reason, as would be upbringing or personal depression.
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mikeyman10ash is not online. mikeyman10ash
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03 Oct 2012 11:25 AM
There's also the possibility that they're being bullied at school or abused at home, even. For all the parents know, they could be on drawgs.
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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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03 Oct 2012 11:26 AM
no there is only one explanation they are letting satan into their mind and mixing with sinners! HIT THE CHILD TILL HE DOES WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT!
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mikeyman10ash is not online. mikeyman10ash
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03 Oct 2012 11:27 AM
@XC

I'm depressed sometimes, but it's usually because I isolate myself in my room either reading or playing Minecraft or ROBLOX, hardly see the light of day, and my family kind of lets me. I guess they think I have some kind of computer coding hobby, since they're all VERY THRILLED(sarcasm) about me learning how to use C++ or C# or Javascript or something.
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Oreology is not online. Oreology
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03 Oct 2012 11:28 AM
No, I meant the 'friends' influence him badly and he ends up thinking it's 'cool' to stand up to your parents and be ignorant.

It's not because of being abused at school or home, it's just that the power of influence and bandwagons are extremely powerful to teenagers who are mentally inclined to 'fit-in' into the group.

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03 Oct 2012 11:29 AM
"It's not because of being abused at school or home, it's just that the power of influence and bandwagons are extremely powerful to teenagers who are mentally inclined to 'fit-in' into the group."

If the child has not been informed about NOT giving in to other people's deviations, then he/she should. After that, the solution is either;

find new friends
adapt them to you
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