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Why I Am Pro-Choice

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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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29 Nov 2012 02:16 PM
Anyway, you don't get my point. My point is that fetal viability is a load of bullcrap, and it changes with every new technological advance. I don't see how you can put legal precedent on such a dubious concept as fetal viability.
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MeGustaUganda is not online. MeGustaUganda
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29 Nov 2012 02:21 PM
Once again, I highly doubt that in any way, the fetal viability will be changed below 10 months.
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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29 Nov 2012 02:40 PM
It's already at about 20 weeks in rare cases
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XC6 is not online. XC6
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29 Nov 2012 02:41 PM
"It's already at about 20 weeks in rare cases"

Often the births are unhealthily low in mass in those kind of cases and face a high chance of not surviving.
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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29 Nov 2012 02:42 PM
Of course it's rare, but 20 week viability was unheard of a few years ago.
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Vocalization is not online. Vocalization
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29 Nov 2012 02:57 PM
1. The upbringing of the foetus is heavily partial to the mother. The baby is part of the mother's body, thus the mother's right and responsibility. Thus, the female has a choice of abortion.
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The baby itself has different genetic makeup than the mother. Simply because a human relies more heavily on it's mother at one time does not mean they should be killed.

2. Situations, such as forced, or con---ception failing to carry out properly, can lead to unwanted births and under aged births. Both can be fatal and dangerous to the mother.
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I'm sure people will agree that if the mother's life is in danger that there should be exceptions.

3. Chronic diseases and disorders, such as pre-eclampsia, can arise before, during and after birth, risking not only the mother's life, but also the baby's.
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So because of the slim chance that a baby will be born with a disease means it should be killed? Most babies are born completely healthy if not with some minor problems that can be fixed or dealt with easily.

4. It's bloody painful, and one may not feel confident enough to go through extreme portions of pain. They should have a choice to not have to go through this kind of pain.
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Surgery can be performed with the mother in anesthesia to remove the baby from the womb. Problem solved.
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Vocalization is not online. Vocalization
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29 Nov 2012 02:59 PM
By the way a baby's brain begins developing at around 4 weeks.

The more you know!
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XC6 is not online. XC6
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29 Nov 2012 04:19 PM
"The baby itself has different genetic makeup than the mother. Simply because a human relies more heavily on it's mother at one time does not mean they should be killed."

But it means it's the mother's responsibility, not the baby's.

"So because of the slim chance that a baby will be born with a disease means it should be killed? Most babies are born completely healthy if not with some minor problems that can be fixed or dealt with easily."

I was talking about the mother. Diseases can be found before birth.

"Surgery can be performed with the mother in anesthesia to remove the baby from the womb. Problem solved."

As in caesarian?
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XC6 is not online. XC6
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29 Nov 2012 04:20 PM
"By the way a baby's brain begins developing at around 4 weeks."

So, when do foetus' feel emotion?
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Vocalization is not online. Vocalization
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29 Nov 2012 05:34 PM
But it means it's the mother's responsibility, not the baby's.
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So then a newborn baby can be killed by it's parent's since they also rely heavily on them too.

I mean the mother
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Again, there can be exceptions when the mother's life is in dangered

Like a c-section
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Spinal Anesthesia can be placed on the mother during a c-section, killing off most if not all the pain. And even in a normal birth there are different types of anesthesia that can be placed on the mother. The mother does not have to push that much, only enough for the doctors to have something to pull the baby from really.
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ska8tergirl5522 is not online. ska8tergirl5522
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29 Nov 2012 05:55 PM
frist of all you are not pro-choice 2nd of all shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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HaroldDunnhill is not online. HaroldDunnhill
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30 Nov 2012 04:38 AM
You male scumbag, you aren't having the baby; THE WOMAN IS.

If your wife was doing it, then I could understand.

But DON'T MAKE DECISIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO YOU DON'T KNOW. WOMAN HAVE FREEDOMS TOO, YOU KNOW.
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XC6Alt5 is not online. XC6Alt5
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30 Nov 2012 12:23 PM
"You male scumbag, you aren't having the baby; THE WOMAN IS.

If your wife was doing it, then I could understand.

But DON'T MAKE DECISIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO YOU DON'T KNOW. WOMAN HAVE FREEDOMS TOO, YOU KNOW."

Who're/were you referring to?
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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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30 Nov 2012 01:03 PM
i am pro-choice as long as the foetus doesn't feel pain, so i think this is before 20 weeks, though the legal max is 23 weeks i think it should be 20 weeks.

'it's stopping the life of a potential lifeform'

i hear this argument a lot and i would reply, isn't that like saying 'being too tired' is stopping a potential lifeform. and by 'being too tired' i am referring to the couple.
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gamert7 is not online. gamert7
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30 Nov 2012 01:05 PM
I am only for it if the women was forced to have it.. 'If your older you will know what i mean.' Other wise it was your choice.
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XC6Alt5 is not online. XC6Alt5
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30 Nov 2012 01:12 PM
What if the woman had contracted a life-threatening disease that could kill the mother before the foetus was born?
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gamert7 is not online. gamert7
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30 Nov 2012 01:14 PM
Well, yes under that circumstance as well. But, other then that no.
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