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| 29 Nov 2012 12:59 PM |
1. The upbringing of the foetus is heavily partial to the mother. The baby is part of the mother's body, thus the mother's right and responsibility. Thus, the female has a choice of abortion.
2. Situations, such as forced, or con---ception failing to carry out properly, can lead to unwanted births and under aged births. Both can be fatal and dangerous to the mother.
3. Chronic diseases and disorders, such as pre-eclampsia, can arise before, during and after birth, risking not only the mother's life, but also the baby's.
4. It's bloody painful, and one may not feel confident enough to go through extreme portions of pain. They should have a choice to not have to go through this kind of pain. |
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| 29 Nov 2012 01:01 PM |
1 i disagree with, because the baby has different genetic information and ergo is a seperate organism, albeit parasitic.
2. Situations, such as forced, or con---ception failing to carry out properly, can lead to unwanted births and under aged births. Both can be fatal and dangerous to the mother.
3. Chronic diseases and disorders, such as pre-eclampsia, can arise before, during and after birth, risking not only the mother's life, but also the baby's.
these two i agree with
what i say about 4, is that the mother has brought it upon herself, she should have put some rubber on it else |
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| 29 Nov 2012 01:03 PM |
"1 i disagree with, because the baby has different genetic information and ergo is a seperate organism, albeit parasitic."
The genetic information is from the mother and father. But I wasn't really referring to genetics, I was referring to how the baby needs the mother's nutrients to survive.
"what i say about 4, is that the mother has brought it upon herself, she should have put some rubber on it else"
10 months is a long time. Someone's mind can definitely change in that long space of time.
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| 29 Nov 2012 01:04 PM |
| they should have thought about it, like i said. you can't just "change your mind". if i said i like blacks, but then changed my mind and started killing them all, it would be my right because its my choice? having a baby is a commitment. |
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| 29 Nov 2012 01:07 PM |
""change your mind""
Why not?
"if i said i like blacks, but then changed my mind and started killing them all, it would be my right because its my choice?"
That's genocide due to fascism. Abortions aren't done purely to kill the baby.
And like I said, the fact that the foetus is part of the mother lays the right into her hands. Other people aren't. |
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| 29 Nov 2012 01:08 PM |
| its a commitment. you can't just say "i want a baby" and then 5 months down the line say you don't want it anymore because its too hot to handle. women know what they're getting into. if a woman does things like that, she should be sterilized. |
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| 29 Nov 2012 01:10 PM |
"its a commitment"
True, but again, almost a whole year...
"women know what they're getting into."
Actually, that depends on person to person. Some people have it a lot worse than others, so technically, you're wrong there.
"if a woman does things like that, she should be sterilized."
What if she thinks she was just too young to handle the burden of responsibility? Peer pressure can act on people and encourage people to 'go for it'. |
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| 29 Nov 2012 01:11 PM |
| peer pressure only works on those without an independent mind, and without an independent mind the said person is of no use to the human race and so its gene line should be terminated |
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| 29 Nov 2012 01:13 PM |
define an 'independent mind' without being subjective
"and without an independent mind the said person is of no use to the human race and so its gene line should be terminated"
except people can be succumbed to peer pressure and have an independent mind
are you implying that people with only 100% independent minds should live? in that case, that's a very sparce population, and due to the nature of independence their ability to accept new ideas and/or facts are reduced and are more likely to be closed minded
is that what you really want? |
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| 29 Nov 2012 01:14 PM |
| whats wrong with a sparse population? you can have a huge population of subhumans or a small and efficient population of the best of the best of the best with which to repopulate the world |
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| 29 Nov 2012 01:16 PM |
"whats wrong with a sparse population?"
an underpopulated place tends to have lack of labour as well as lack of new technologies
inefficient use of resources
genocide isn't a very nice way of putting things
elitism isn't either |
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| 29 Nov 2012 01:17 PM |
| doesn't matter whether or not it is nice, but for the advancement of humanity i would rather have superhumans than untermensch |
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| 29 Nov 2012 01:19 PM |
| why don't you let natural genetic selection work by itself then? |
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| 29 Nov 2012 01:20 PM |
| because all the mentally deficients and other undesirables happen to breed like rabbits. |
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| 29 Nov 2012 01:20 PM |
Except the "population of the best of the best" would be very very close minded.
Also, genoucid is inhumane, no matter how you try to take it.
Aaaaaaaand the baby is part of the mother until week 32, then the baby can be partially independant of it's mother and past that point, lolbortion should be illegal, but before that, lolbortion should be legal. |
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| 29 Nov 2012 01:21 PM |
doesn't matter whether or not it is nice, but for the advancement of humanity i would rather have superhumans than untermensch
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Except it doesn't advance humanity, it does the opposite. |
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| 29 Nov 2012 02:03 PM |
There is only one fact that needs to be known in this debate.
Fetal viability, which is the age at which the fetus can survive outside of the mother's body, has been declining steadily for decades. In a few decades, fetuses are going to be able to survive outside of the mother immediately after conception. Doesn't this invalidate almost every pro-choice argument? |
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| 29 Nov 2012 02:06 PM |
But explain how can a few cells survive independantly on the mother.
Also, it is very hard to define fetal viability, it could be considered to beeven 6 months after the baby's birth, because the baby is dependant on mother's milk.
I consider the borderline right now to be 32 weeks. |
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| 29 Nov 2012 02:07 PM |
Fetal viability, which is the age at which the fetus can survive outside of the mother's body, has been declining steadily for decades. In a few decades, fetuses are going to be able to survive outside of the mother immediately after conception. Doesn't this invalidate almost every pro-choice argument? -------------------------------- Well the heartbeat and nervous system don't form until week 35. By then it's illegal to abort |
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| 29 Nov 2012 02:08 PM |
"In a few decades, fetuses are going to be able to survive outside of the mother immediately after conception. Doesn't this invalidate almost every pro-choice argument?"
That is a claim. I don't think it's possible for it to go that far. |
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| 29 Nov 2012 02:13 PM |
"Technological advances."
They may not go that far due to moral reasons. |
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| 29 Nov 2012 02:14 PM |
| ...? What's immoral about lowering the age of fetal viability? |
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| 29 Nov 2012 02:15 PM |
| As much as the research is peer reviewed, they have the right to shorten the time of fetal viability. |
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