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| 24 Nov 2012 04:16 PM |
"Training is an important part of ANY clan, and lately UCR's has only been a waste of time."
Poisonlava claims training is important to all clans. Honestly, training is not essential to any clan. What UCR needs now is more participation in active combat. Not less. Training shouldn't be viewed as the appropriate time to hone your skills. Nor should it be as frequent as it is currently.
Training and Skill are two things. Skill is something you gain over time. Training doesn't play enough of a role in a users mind to be of any use. Now active combat actually does play a larger role over an extended period of time. This is where you can hone your skills and practice new ones.
What we need now is a war, not sloppy trainings for a war.
Next poison explains that this is how clans are, and that we have to deal with it. No. This is not how clans work. This is how people in clans THINK it works because they FORGOT what it IS to be a Low rank in a clan. Being a low rank is intended to be fun, adventurous, and very user-friendly. The world UCR is creating is the opposite of what a low rank looks for. She explains that trainers should encourage bans and punishments.
These punishments don't work. It's been proven. All that does is run away from the problem, which by the way is a problem we created in the first place.
[Summary]
Training needs to go away, and be replaced with war. Skill is earned in activities that actually stimulate the mind, and nothing compares to combat in terms of gaining COMBAT SKILLS. Trainings do not work. The punishments, they won't work. If something isn't working for us, it means we must change it.
More war. More fun. Less counter productive efforts.
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MexiManV2
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| 24 Nov 2012 04:24 PM |
| I support, lets get out of this post RWIII depression. |
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| 24 Nov 2012 04:25 PM |
Baaaah...
Who wanted to know?
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| 24 Nov 2012 04:27 PM |
| We need training if you asked all of the (active) LRs most of them will agree with me. |
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MexiManV2
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| 24 Nov 2012 04:29 PM |
| They should train themselves, they don't need someone to tell them what to do. Hey, thats what call of robloxia is here for. |
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| 24 Nov 2012 04:30 PM |
@Cman
If I raise 200 children to be cold blooded killers, and they raise their children but we question them in their growth process,
THEY WILL TELL US THEY NEED TO BE COLD BLOODED KILLERS.
Does it make it right? No.
We institutionalized training. That's not what we need. You and them are wrong. It's not your fault either. But we have to wake up from that. |
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| 24 Nov 2012 04:30 PM |
Trainings will not be removed, I can assure you that.
The problem is how trainings operate. Ordering members to get 50 kills for a promotion is not how a training should work. Rather our trainers should actually be teaching members. |
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MexiManV2
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| 24 Nov 2012 04:34 PM |
| We should at least teach them raiding strategies, something that will be useful for the future. |
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| 24 Nov 2012 04:35 PM |
A training every once in a while can be beneficial, hacker. However, the LR experience in UCR SUCKS right now. 50% Support. |-HR14-| |
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| 24 Nov 2012 04:36 PM |
@ROBLOX
Fool. I explained exactly why that is wrong. |
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| 24 Nov 2012 04:38 PM |
I disagree with Hacker's argument on removing training and jumping into war. One does not simply learn how to fight greatly by going through constant war. Have you ever learned to be good at grammar you must read good grammar? So to be good at fighting you have to do the same thing many times, which will result in being inclined to be good at what you were taught or what you know.
I believe that training should be a combination of learning, and constant fighting. This will result in you being good from what you learned. |
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| 24 Nov 2012 11:12 PM |
@Blocker
It's obviously not working out. Constant fighting is how you learn to fight. I'm not saying we should abolish training, but I'm saying you're not supposed to put so much effort into it.
I grew without training. If it weren't for my awful ISP (changing between next month and January) I'd be a leading member of TBS for combat skill.
I didn't spend an ounce of energy at a training or hosting them.
Now, I have OTHER SUGGESTIONS COUPLED with this. This was simply an argument to give people a broader understanding in regards to training.
My other suggestions include TBS being responsible for the trainings. Thus one can assume if our most elite division is hosting trainings and raids, productivity would be on the rise.
It's a matter of paying closer attention, block. We do need war. We don't need to focus this much energy on trainings. If you can't agree with me that it's stupid really how much we focus on training instead of more productive activities then you can go and enact your perspective on the matter. Let's wait another year or so for UCR to be run-down. Maybe then it'll listen to reason. |
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WannaBet
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| 24 Nov 2012 11:21 PM |
"Training is not essential to ANY clan"
Shove your words up your mouth, lead and train for as long as I have and then try saying anything as stupid as that again. |
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| 24 Nov 2012 11:21 PM |
> I grew without training. Maybe that's why you're not successful. |
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| 24 Nov 2012 11:25 PM |
I agree that Training does not need so much effort, but I do believe the introduction of trying to get member to be inclined and immersed. As said, to be good at grammar, you must read good grammar. So to be good at sword fighting, you must do a lot of good practices. Those practices should be introduced in trainings, and then practiced there or in war.
Also, sense when did the clan listen to reasoning? I don't believe it has. its already rundown from what I see, the ownership, and part of the HRs only contribute to it.
This is why I always go back to supporting a better leader; that many lack the information to judge the person I support.
If you want, I'm always open to some good conversations, so I'll be more than happy to talk over pm. |
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| 24 Nov 2012 11:25 PM |
@WannaBet
Shove your arrogance down your throat you moron. Training isn't essential to any clan.
It stands as fact. If you want to prove me wrong show me the evidence.
@Kewl
You don't know who I am. You don't know... What? You're an idiot. I almost want to slap you. Your statement makes no sense. I was in Sardok Koon. That is a private clan harder to get into than Sparrow Corp. |
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| 24 Nov 2012 11:29 PM |
@Block
You know already why I don't even want to entertain such a heinous thought. We have other ways of going about these things.
I'm not saying we should abolish training. I went overboard on saying we should get that out of UCR I guess. My mistake.
I'm trying to say we need to focus more on war. UCR needs to offer fun in the best ways possible. That doesn't come in trainings very often. We're not in any wars lately. So your statement that we should practice in both training and war isn't holding up- there is no war.
When there is war, it seems trainings as is aren't doing so well. Which poison bravely attempted to iron out any bugs. I already made my own proposal as to what we should do to improve trainings. It's almost set in motion too. It's a matter of doing it. Until we do, things in regards to training need to be set in the proper channels. |
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| 24 Nov 2012 11:41 PM |
I'm not going to simply toss a bunch of people into war and tell them to fight it. They'll only get angry about their butt's are being whooped by the enemy that had training. They will eventually start flaming the enemy, which is natural in gaming.
This is probably one of the main reasons I support both teaching and fighting in a whole training, It's the result of a good image in a war, and members will be able to enjoy themselves beating the enemy. Losing repeatedly is not fun.
Training may not be fun, but they are the cause of fun. |
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| 24 Nov 2012 11:44 PM |
You're an idiot, honestly.
Did you not read anything I wrote?
THERE IS NO WAR.
I SUGGESTED A NEW FORM OF TRAINING, NOT IT'S ABOLISHMENT.
TRAINING IS CAUSING MASSIVE HEADACHES FROM EVERYONE.
WE HAVE HIGH EXPECTATIONS FOR PEOPLE WHOM WE'VE HAD LOW EXPECTATIONS FOR IN EVERY OTHER ASPECT OF UCR. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT??
and finally,
I AGREE WE NEED TRAINING. BUT IT NEEDS IMPROVEMENT. AND WE NEED MORE WARS. |
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| 24 Nov 2012 11:47 PM |
| Yeah, there is a war that the entire clan decided to ignore. |
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Amune
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| 24 Nov 2012 11:49 PM |
Soul guess what.
We TRIED war, UCR is to inactive.
Guess what the HRs are trying to do?- Fixing the inactivity.
We need to focus on internal affairs before we go to war. |
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| 24 Nov 2012 11:50 PM |
the TGI place was SUPER LAGGY AND IMPOSSIBLE TO RAID.
Even stronghold II is still lagged up. Good to raid though.
Anyways, i'm sorry for being so rude. I'm frustrated. |
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| 24 Nov 2012 11:51 PM |
@Amune
Hey. I just basically explained that.
War boosts activity. Nothing else does that.
What, you think anyone is going to come off an HR's whim? No. We need something fun to do. It's the fun factor you must consider.
We need builders, we need people committed to war and no matter how sickly people feel around the idea of holding a pixel sword to someone's neck we need it done. |
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Amune
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| 24 Nov 2012 11:53 PM |
Soul. Like I said. We tried war.
It didn't work. |
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| 24 Nov 2012 11:53 PM |
I still hate the clans leadership, and I still want better. At this point I wanna talk to TD about it, but he bans from places. <3
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