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Re: You cant compare Hamas to the IDF

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Raximus is not online. Raximus
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21 Nov 2012 11:27 AM
Hamas is a terrorist organization that is hell bent on destroy Israel and the Jews I don't know of anybody in their right mind that would support them. The IDF is a well funded and well trained army while the Hamas are angry extremists with little to none funds from Western powers. People shouldn't treat Hamas as anything more than terrorists. They are not a Palestinian Defense Force wich some people think they are (thepit). I would also.like to ask something about American politic wich ones conservative or liberal support the Israel or Palestinians? That is always something that has interested me.
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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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21 Nov 2012 11:30 AM
40% of Democrats support Israel, 78% of Republicans
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Raximus is not online. Raximus
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21 Nov 2012 12:04 PM
I always figured that.liberals would support them more
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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21 Nov 2012 12:46 PM
Liberals like to be contrarian to what they believe the "ruling elite" is in favor of, which includes American foreign policy. What is a key tenet of Aemrican foreign policy? Support of Israel.
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ElectricDream is not online. ElectricDream
Joined: 07 Feb 2012
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21 Nov 2012 01:19 PM
Pfft. Key tenet of American foreign policy should be defending America. Not a corrupt occupying force. Do I support Hamas? No. Do I support Israel? No. Should America pump Israel with millions of dollars and the lives of our children? No. Benjamin Netanyahu would agree.
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MeGustaUganda is not online. MeGustaUganda
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21 Nov 2012 01:42 PM
But Hamas is murdering civilians.

You wouldn't want gassy mexicans to murder your people too would they?
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ElectricDream is not online. ElectricDream
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21 Nov 2012 01:48 PM
Israel murders citizens too. 50 have been killed with over 750 injured in the past 5 days. If anything, they're both murderers who commit war crimes.
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MeGustaUganda is not online. MeGustaUganda
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21 Nov 2012 01:50 PM
But Israel does this so Hamas stops aiming rockets at them.

Also, Israel sent warning letters to Gaza, warning them to get out of Hamaz zone, their bad for not listening.
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ElectricDream is not online. ElectricDream
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21 Nov 2012 01:57 PM
I don't think dropping a missile on someones home after telling them to leave is very nice. Bottom line is, civilians die. Maybe they do not want to abandon their homes. What if Chinese planes dropped flyers over your home in the night then bombed it the next day. Would you not want to fight back? Both sides are in the bad here and I think trying to justify it is rather pathetic. Pursue and justify peace, not war.
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jam2468 is not online. jam2468
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21 Nov 2012 02:30 PM
Hamas has fired around 800 missiles into Israel from Gaza. Trying to stop this is not justified? What's more, they warned the civilians that they were going to do it too. It's an unfortunate situation, but neccessary.
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ElectricDream is not online. ElectricDream
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21 Nov 2012 02:40 PM
Trying to stop it by launching missiles back isn't going to get anyone anywhere. It only gives Hamas more excuse. Besides, more Palestinian civilians died yesterday than Israelis all year. I sense a Double Standard here.
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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21 Nov 2012 02:53 PM
Hamas is clearly attacking civilians. That is one of their core military strategies. Israel's isn't. Seriously. Defend Hamas is clearly screwed up. I can maybe sense support for the Fatah, but supporting groups actively targeting civilians, get your head checked.
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ElectricDream is not online. ElectricDream
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21 Nov 2012 02:56 PM
lol Just said I don't support either. Israel is basically targeting civilian areas. Trying to justify it deserves a major head check.
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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21 Nov 2012 03:01 PM
You know nothing of modern warfare. Israel is not targeting civilians areas like, hmmm, I want to level an entire suburb today! They are dropping bombs on civilians areas because that is where Hamas is located and that is where Hamas picked the battlefield to be. Hamas isn't going to sit out in the open and launch rockets. They use the cover of urban sprawl to fire rockets and disappear because it works, and because Palestinians in Gaza are clueless and can't, you know, fight back against Hamas. Hamas is purposely firing at civilians areas too. They could target IDF bases with all their rockets, but they don't. They fire on urban areas and glorify the deaths of Israelis, because Palestinians are just buttmad refugees that got screwed over by their Dear Arab Dictators that threw them under the bus to justify their anti-semitism.
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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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21 Nov 2012 03:02 PM
Hamas places there rockets next to playgrounds, houses, mosques, gas stations and schools so that more people will die when they are attacked. All Hamas cares for is making Israel look bad.
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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21 Nov 2012 03:05 PM
Exactly, and Israel knows that targeting civilians is a horrible strategic decision, so why would they do it. Please, justify it for me. Give me good reasoning as to why the IDF would purposely target civilians.
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ElectricDream is not online. ElectricDream
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21 Nov 2012 03:10 PM
You contradict yourself in two sentences lol First you say they aren't targeting civilian areas then in the next admit they are dropping bombs on civilian areas. Again, Hamas is a terrorist organization. I do not support them and I think they're part of the reason so many civilians die. There is still a Double Standard here. When Israel kills hundreds of civilians it's just war. When a homemade rocket falls in Israel's borders it warrants a hundred more deaths and is an international outrage. Both sides commit terrible war crimes and unfortunately it's the Palestinian Civilians that suffer the worst. They have a ragtag terrorist organization representing them and a high-tech well organized modern military dropping bombs on them.
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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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21 Nov 2012 03:14 PM
Hamas are terrorists who commit war crimes. Israel is not. How do I know this? Because Israel does not intentionally target civilians, but Hamas places their rockets so civilians will die and people will be outraged at Israel. Hamas then targets civilians.
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ElectricDream is not online. ElectricDream
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21 Nov 2012 03:18 PM
Israel does not commit war crimes?

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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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21 Nov 2012 03:23 PM
The UN is a stupid organization. For years, they could not locate where Israel's capital is, so I refuse to take their claims on Israel as legitimate. This is not just for anti-Israel people, but pro-Israel to. I believe that if you cannot name the following things about a country, you have no right to critisize them:

Country name with correct spelling
Capital
Leader
Location
Form of government
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ElectricDream is not online. ElectricDream
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21 Nov 2012 03:26 PM
Fine by me. I gave you the evidence. Deny if you wish. While the UN may not know everything about your country, I'm inclined to believe they know a little bit more about international law and war crimes than you or I.
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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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21 Nov 2012 03:33 PM
The Geneva convention does not say that civilian deaths are a war crime if unintentional.
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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21 Nov 2012 03:34 PM
I am not being contradictory. The IDF is not purposely targeting civilian areas for no reason. If Hamas all but left those areas, they would bomb them in open fields gladly. I was saying they have to target Hamas, who hide in civilian areas. Should Israel just drop tons and tons of bombs on the countryside to scare Hamas? OH THAT WILL TOTALLY WORK!

Many times, Israel has called off airstrikes because of civilians. Hamas chose the battlefield, and Palestinians chose Hamas. I have no sympathy for dead Palestinian children.
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ElectricDream is not online. ElectricDream
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21 Nov 2012 03:39 PM
"I have no sympathy for dead Palestinian children." Exactly. If that is the mindset, I believe Hamas has every reason to fight.
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ElectricDream is not online. ElectricDream
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21 Nov 2012 03:54 PM
You also contradicted yourself again. I didn't notice this at first. You say Palestinians chose Hamas, but before you say, "They can't fight back" Which is it? Do they choose or are they stuck and can't fight?
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