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Re: What I find to be astonishingly hypocritical

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ChocolateMocha is not online. ChocolateMocha
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16 Nov 2012 03:52 PM
Pro-choice people complaining about the death penalty and Guantanamo Bay being inhumane
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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16 Nov 2012 03:53 PM
Fetuses arent humans silly
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ChocolateMocha is not online. ChocolateMocha
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16 Nov 2012 04:03 PM
I believe it's of the same species as humans
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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16 Nov 2012 04:04 PM
A fetus cant survive on its own so according to my god darwin it deserves to die.
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ChocolateMocha is not online. ChocolateMocha
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16 Nov 2012 04:06 PM
Neither can someone with SCID so do they deserve to die too?
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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16 Nov 2012 04:07 PM
No because they are human, are you thick?
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ChocolateMocha is not online. ChocolateMocha
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16 Nov 2012 04:08 PM
you just said if it can't survive on its own it deserves to die
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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16 Nov 2012 04:10 PM
But it has evolved so it should surive but doesnt.
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ChocolateMocha is not online. ChocolateMocha
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16 Nov 2012 04:13 PM
You said it can't survive on its own but indeed it CAN. You just have to allow it to be born, then it can survive on its own.
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16 Nov 2012 04:27 PM
I could say the same about pro-life people being pro-death penalty.
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One of them is a convicted murderer and the other is a child. The life ethic here is consistent. Being who are pro choice and anti death penalty, on the other hand, are completely inconsistent.

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The argument you're using is that fetuses are not worthy because they cannot survive on their own? What if I told you that in 30 years they will be able to survive immediately after conception? Does it automatically become morally wrong at that point, or will you just change your excuse? Because at the rate we are going with medical technology, the age of fetal viability is dropping, and fetuses will be able to develop entirely outside of the womb within a few years.
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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16 Nov 2012 04:30 PM
Ignore my previous posts.

I think aborlol is morally wrong but should be legal, i cant argue why so i wont even try, you won.
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16 Nov 2012 04:32 PM
The only difference is one of them is alive (it's not the child).
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Uh, this is basic biology. There is no questions that t he child is alive from the moment of conception.

And you're still killing something, whether or not they are a murderer is irrelevant, they are still a person and pro-lifers believe that life is precious!
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I agree, which is why I'm anti death penalty. But pro life is just a label, it carries no meaning, just as pro choice does not necessarily mean you are pro choice for drugs or guns or other issues.
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16 Nov 2012 04:34 PM
i find it hypocritical republicans complain about big government and then want all these authoritarian things: GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO STAY OUT OF MY LIFE BUT CAN TELL ME IF I CAN MARRY ANOTHER MAN OR KILL AN UNBORN PIECE OF FLESH! YAY NO GOVERNMENT.

they only want small goverment in economic issues, other wise theyre completly authoritarian.
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16 Nov 2012 04:35 PM
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16 Nov 2012 04:37 PM
We all have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Why take away the first for the sake of the later two? It defies common sense.
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16 Nov 2012 04:38 PM
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RubiksCubix is not online. RubiksCubix
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16 Nov 2012 04:38 PM
It cannot think. It is not human. It does not matter.
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If you do not support equal rights, that is your problem.
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16 Nov 2012 04:39 PM
The first has already been taken away.
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I agree! This is why I fight to get it back!
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16 Nov 2012 04:40 PM
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i find it hypocritical republicans complain about big government and then want all these authoritarian things: GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO STAY OUT OF MY LIFE BUT CAN TELL ME IF I CAN MARRY ANOTHER MAN OR KILL AN UNBORN PIECE OF FLESH! YAY NO GOVERNMENT.
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I agree with the comment about being able to marry, but can you step back a minute and really examine the issue at hand? Why do you call it a piece of flesh? Are you not just a piece of flesh as well? At what point does it MAGICALLY become human to you? Because there is no science behind what you are saying. It's got to be magic.

I don't know what you're saying here?
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You say that because we're "pro life" then we have to be pro life on the death penalty as well. But that's just ridiculous. But it's not like we invented the term pro life. It's just what people who are against ab0r are called. It doesn't mean you're pro life GENERALLY. Just as being "pro choice" does not mean you are pro choice GENERALLY. According to your logic, pro choice people should support the right to take drugs, the right to own any guns you want, the right to use fireworks, because it's a CHOICE. Right?

It cannot think. It is not human. It does not matter.
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Where's your science? Is it scientifically true that because it cannot think, it's not human? Or is it just an arbitrary standard that you created on the spot to justify your opinion? Because I've had this debate numerous times. And every time, I get a different person on the side of choice giving me DIFFERENT criteria for when a fetus becomes human. I hear heartbeat, brain, nervous system, sentience, limbs, all sorts of things. It's very obvious to me that people are just making up this stuff as they go along, since there's obviously no science to back up their argument.
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RubiksCubix is not online. RubiksCubix
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16 Nov 2012 04:41 PM
The death penalty is simply the fairest way to punish someone for threatening someone else's right to life.
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16 Nov 2012 04:42 PM
The first has already been taken away.
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[N]or shall any person . . . be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law . . . .

WITHOUT DUE PROCESS OF LAW
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