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Re: Why is everyone saying secession is bad?

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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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13 Nov 2012 11:35 PM
Honestly, secession movements break up evil empires, like the USSR, Great Britain, and hopefully the Federal Government of the Unite States of America.
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Edd1050105022 is not online. Edd1050105022
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14 Nov 2012 12:01 AM
Because we are the United States of America. Keyword: United
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MeGustaUganda is not online. MeGustaUganda
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14 Nov 2012 12:31 AM
Because countries that are federal republics tend to have better economy than countries that are separated.
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14 Nov 2012 12:50 AM
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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14 Nov 2012 12:53 AM
We voluntarily joined and created a union, and we should be able to voluntarily leave the union. And decentralization is actually better. Explain Hong Kong plz.
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14 Nov 2012 01:59 AM
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14 Nov 2012 02:28 AM
As a jelly europoor i would love to see the downfall of america, i just cant stand arrogant nationalists/separatists.
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MeGustaUganda is not online. MeGustaUganda
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14 Nov 2012 07:07 AM
We voluntarily joined and created a union, and we should be able to voluntarily leave the union. And decentralization is actually better. Explain Hong Kong plz.

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Hongkong was british untill '99
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14 Nov 2012 09:13 AM
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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14 Nov 2012 02:44 PM
Hong Kong was and still is highly autonomous.

And by we I referred to the states, more specifically, my current residence, the Commonwealth of Virginia.
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twinkie424 is not online. twinkie424
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14 Nov 2012 03:01 PM
Texas needs the United States more than it realizes, and this petition isn't just people from texas, but people from all over the world, not to mention people making new accs and keeps on signing it.


There are more Texans that want to stay apart of the United States then don't.

Texas's population is 25,674,681 and even if the amount of people that signed this petition is texan [which they aren't] its just a minor fraction of the total population of Texas.

This is just a bunch of drama and people are feeding it attention.


The United States isn't breaking up- and we still stand true to our name.

In-fact, their are a lot of other territories/countries that want to become a state of America.


This is just a bunch of drama.

[-[★-]Blue will prevail~
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RagEgnite is not online. RagEgnite
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14 Nov 2012 03:02 PM
@twinkie

It's also against the Constitution for a state to just break away from the United States.
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twinkie424 is not online. twinkie424
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14 Nov 2012 03:04 PM
Like I said, its only a minor fraction of people that actually want it to happen- You know their are also a minor fraction of people that believe humans should move to the Sun.


Its just a bunch of drama.


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MeGustaUganda is not online. MeGustaUganda
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14 Nov 2012 03:10 PM
Hong Kong was and still is highly autonomous.

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How.
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The0Arctic0Fox is not online. The0Arctic0Fox
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14 Nov 2012 03:26 PM
It's one freaking city twigs, it's not like a huge decentralized nation.


Speaking of those, if decentralization is so fine and dandy, how comes the HRE got it's arse handed to it until it was destroyed by one of the most centralized nations in history?
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MeGustaUganda is not online. MeGustaUganda
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14 Nov 2012 03:31 PM
Also, Hong Kong got loadtons of aid from Brittain for development.

And also, Hong Kong got autonomy when it had a giant port, from British money.
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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14 Nov 2012 03:34 PM
It's one freaking city twigs, it's not like a huge decentralized nation.
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One city that economically rivals a good deal of other nations.

Hong Kong, Singapore, Macau, all autonomous city states with massive economic swath.

Speaking of those, if decentralization is so fine and dandy, how comes the HRE got it's arse handed to it until it was destroyed by one of the most centralized nations in history?
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Military tactics =/= effective governance.

And if you will remember, German guerrillas pushed France out.

Please explain to me how someone in Washington knows what is best for a farmer in California? I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO KNOW!
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MeGustaUganda is not online. MeGustaUganda
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14 Nov 2012 03:37 PM
But even then, HRE survived as a strong confederacy, and was defeated by a centralized nation.

For about 1000 years.

There, your point broken.
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The0Arctic0Fox is not online. The0Arctic0Fox
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14 Nov 2012 03:38 PM
>Please explain to me how someone in Washington knows what is best for a farmer in California? I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO KNOW!

It's called the Internet and modern transportation, as technology brings us closer nations become more centralized, that quote in one form or another has been used for so long it's lost it's meaning.


Worst comes to worse, you always have local government, as that will always have some place.
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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14 Nov 2012 03:39 PM
The actual end of the empire came in several steps. The Peace of Westphalia in 1648, which ended the Thirty Years' War, gave the territories almost complete sovereignty. The Swiss Confederation, which had already established quasi-independence in 1499, as well as the Northern Netherlands, left the Empire. Although its constituent states still had some restrictions—in particular, they could not form alliances against the Emperor — the Empire from this point was a powerless entity, existing in name only. The Habsburg Emperors instead focused on consolidating their own estates in Austria and elsewhere.
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The0Arctic0Fox is not online. The0Arctic0Fox
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14 Nov 2012 03:40 PM
>But even then, HRE survived as a strong confederacy, and was defeated by a centralized nation.

For about 1000 years.

The HRE was slave to it's centralized neighbors for about 100 years you mean.


You know a Centralized nation that lasted even longer though?

The Roman Republic/Empire
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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14 Nov 2012 03:41 PM
It's called the Internet and modern transportation, as technology brings us closer nations become more centralized, that quote in one form or another has been used for so long it's lost it's meaning.
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No, the internet cannot detect local customs, cultures, and the entire scope of the situation better than people on the ground can.

Worst comes to worse, you always have local government, as that will always have some place.
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Better them than some bureacrat thousands of miles away.

Tell me why the British government had to rely on local rulers again?
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UberWillard is not online. UberWillard
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14 Nov 2012 03:41 PM
Great Britain

>evil

Why didn't Nahtzee Germany make it onto your list? I'm pretty sure that the British Empire martyred itself to destroy this truly evil Empire.
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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14 Nov 2012 03:44 PM
The Roman Republic/Empire
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Ruled by locals for the most part and relied on absorbing the locals. It was never as centralized as you think.
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