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| 11 Nov 2012 10:25 AM |
Separation of Church and State was originally meant to prevent the US from becoming a Theocracy, as in a government declared ruled by a deity or deities. What it wasn't meant for was to prevent the discussion of Creationism in public schools. Nor was it made to prevent religion in the public ring altogether.
Many private schools across the US teach their students BOTH sides, Creationism and Evolutionism. They're not getting a one-sided view of the issue, they're getting BOTH sides. Now here's the thing, many have expressed that Evolutionism is fact and Creationism is fiction and that I should keep my beliefs to myself. In my view, that's hypocrisy, why are you allowed to use the public school system to spread what you view as fact, but not Creationists?
It's more then that, they straight out BAN religious texts in school, bring a Bible, Qu'ran, etc. to class, it gets taken away from you, bring an evolutionary book, it's considered okay. That in my view isn't fair, and if we're going to talk science, Agnosticism is actually the most scientific approach to the origin of the universe. It's called the Problem of Induction, I advise you look it up,it's quite an interesting thing.
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| 11 Nov 2012 10:28 AM |
| I will also note that I suggest all viewers read the whole post to be informed on what I typed before actually posting. |
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| 11 Nov 2012 10:30 AM |
| Evolution is currently the generally accepted theory on the origin of species and thats why it is taught, if your religion contradicts it thats just too bad. |
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| 11 Nov 2012 10:32 AM |
@Thereal That's poor logic, it's actually not as accepted as you might think, and even if it were, that doesn't mean people shouldn't get the other side of the issue. |
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| 11 Nov 2012 10:39 AM |
We shouldnt teach chemistry because it contradicts my unga-bunga religion saying theres 4 elements!
Note that im not saying that school shouldnt offer RE. |
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| 11 Nov 2012 10:43 AM |
Evolution has as much value and relevance as general theory of relativity, or cell theory. They are taught because there are thousands of peer reviewed papers and evidence to support them, and they have been directly observed.
Expose a population of bacteria to an antibiotic. The vast majority may die, however some may survive. These surviving cells are shown to have a resistance to this antibiotic. They replicate and the subsequent daughter cells also share this resistance. They have evolved through natural selection.
A virus destroys 3/4 of the human population of a small town. A few of the residents survive, appearing to have immunity from the virus. They then have sons and daughters later. They also have immunity. And so the generations go on. They have evolved through natural selection.
If you extrapolate this when faced with the issue of the Galapagos finches, it's really not that hard to figure it out. |
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| 11 Nov 2012 10:43 AM |
@Thereal First of all, Christianity does not say we only have four elements, although it used to be a common interpretation that we did, but Christianity does not necessarily say we only have four elements. I will also note that even if Christianity or another religion did say we only have four elements, that wouldn't mean we eliminate the view that we have more then four elements, we could just teach both views in school to give a more balanced lesson. |
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| 11 Nov 2012 10:45 AM |
@Ry Natural selection has been proven, however, it could easily be debated whether or not it occurred without at least the guidance of a deity and on its own led to complex life on earth. |
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| 11 Nov 2012 10:50 AM |
evolution is fact
you can believe in evolution and creationism at the same time if you like |
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| 11 Nov 2012 10:59 AM |
| An insertion mutation during DNA replication causes the production of an extra amino acid which produces a protein, typically an enzyme, which disables the invading antibiotic molecule. For example, some penicillin resistant bacteria produce beta lactamases , enzymes which disable the penicillin molecules. These mutations may have occurred due to the introduction of a mutagenic agent such as radiation or decay of elements in the DNA molecule. |
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| 11 Nov 2012 11:07 AM |
Sure, teach RE in school. In Scotland it is taught to educate about the existence and beliefs of hundreds of different religions around the world, but creationism isn't taught only to provide an opposing view from Evolution. It's provided in an objective way, with reasons given why people might believe in it. It's a class which isn't used to push a religion, rather educate people on the existence of these religions and what they believe.
But you can't redefine the separation of church and state just because a few fundies deny evolution and demand that creationism be taught. |
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| 11 Nov 2012 11:54 AM |
Separation of Church and State was originally meant to prevent the US from becoming a Theocracy, as in a government declared ruled by a deity or deities. What it wasn't meant for was to prevent the discussion of Creationism in public schools. Nor was it made to prevent religion in the public ring altogether.
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Schools are here to teach facts and theories.
Creationism isn't a fact nor a theory, it's a hypothesis.
That's why creationism isn't taught in public schools, simple as that.
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Many private schools across the US teach their students BOTH sides, Creationism and Evolutionism. They're not getting a one-sided view of the issue, they're getting BOTH sides. Now here's the thing, many have expressed that Evolutionism is fact and Creationism is fiction and that I should keep my beliefs to myself. In my view, that's hypocrisy, why are you allowed to use the public school system to spread what you view as fact, but not Creationists?
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Evoltion is a theory, the closest you can get to a fact, because evolution is supported by much proof.
Creationism, however isn't supported by any proof, that's why it's a hypothesis, and that's why people don't teach it at school.
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It's more then that, they straight out BAN religious texts in school, bring a Bible, Qu'ran, etc. to class, it gets taken away from you, bring an evolutionary book, it's considered okay. That in my view isn't fair, and if we're going to talk science, Agnosticism is actually the most scientific approach to the origin of the universe. It's called the Problem of Induction, I advise you look it up,it's quite an interesting thing.
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My friend brung a Qu'ran to school.
Your argument is invalid. |
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| 11 Nov 2012 02:48 PM |
| Agree with OP, seperation of church and state was not meant to ban any MENTION of religion in any form of public stage, which is how it is currently being interpreted. |
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| 11 Nov 2012 03:22 PM |
"Agree with OP, seperation of church and state was not meant to ban any MENTION of religion in any form of public stage, which is how it is currently being interpreted."
Give an example. |
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| 11 Nov 2012 03:23 PM |
9prind fascist atheocracy totalarian authoritarian dictator |
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| 11 Nov 2012 03:43 PM |
Evolutionis what is accepted as fact today. That's what schools should teach. If kids go to a Sunday school or their parents want to teach them evolution, that is fine. Even at private school it is okay, but it does not belong in the public school system.
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| 11 Nov 2012 04:22 PM |
@tomato
Am i tired or does your post contradict itself? |
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| 11 Nov 2012 04:28 PM |
"'Agree with OP, seperation of church and state was not meant to ban any MENTION of religion in any form of public stage, which is how it is currently being interpreted.'
Give an example."
A while back, I forget what city, but the city council had set up a seen of Mary and Jesus in the manger for Christmas, and then they were accused of violating the seperation of church and state so they had to take it down. :P |
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| 11 Nov 2012 06:06 PM |
It is quite simple pokemon98:
You are quite right. Infact, the founding fathers almost SOLELY supported education to TEACH good morals, often founded in religion. A "religion" is simply the way you think that we originated. This classifies athiesm as a religion. Modern science education is clearly biased, as they fail to take into account the "Eve" theory, the fact that we have ONLY actually seen evolution in uni-cellular organisms, and that evolution through mutation is statistically very improbable. In addition, I hear people saying: "Creationism isn't science because it involves the supernatural". This is a logical falacy, because it is only not science if you use supernatural ideas as the BASIS of your arguement.
But now you may ask, why?
Lets look back to a popular dictator, Stalin. He OUTLAWED religion. Why? Simple! :D When people are in a religion, they are loyal to their principles. That's not to say an athiest can not be loyal to their principles (I know many awesome athiests! :D), but it is VERY hard to take over a religious population. That is why Stalin outlawed religion, and the supreme court is trying to restrict our religious rights. Because without religion, it is much easier for them to teach us WHATEVER they want, and teach lies to our posterity.
Many hard feelings and biased views go into this arguement, but I believe we should teach BOTH points of view as if they are true, and allow people to decide off their own accord. Getting rid of freedom of religion is step ONE to a government takeover, remember that. |
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| 11 Nov 2012 06:10 PM |
Expose a population of bacteria to an antibiotic. The vast majority may die, however some may survive. These surviving cells are shown to have a resistance to this antibiotic. They replicate and the subsequent daughter cells also share this resistance. They have evolved through natural selection. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Actually, you have just witnessed ADAPTATION, because the genetics of the gene-pool have NOT changed. This is change WITHIN species. |
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| 11 Nov 2012 06:21 PM |
"Creationism and Evolutionism."
its funny because these arent even opposition, they actually work pretty well together |
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| 11 Nov 2012 06:26 PM |
| True, many believe both. :D |
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| 11 Nov 2012 07:15 PM |
Evolution is currently the generally accepted theory on the origin of species and thats why it is taught, if your religion contradicts it thats just too bad. ----------------- I must agree with the OP.
It is hypocritical to call religion indoctrination yet only allow one side to be told.
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| 11 Nov 2012 07:16 PM |
| Why can no one understand that A deity or deities can be catlyst in evolution? |
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| 11 Nov 2012 08:34 PM |
| I have absolutely no idea, but they are key in helping the government take away religious freedom. |
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