TDFall
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| 10 Nov 2012 09:51 PM |
Well I guess these aren't secrets... and other than being my thoughts they aren't about me...
Nevermind.
Read this. It's about the recent discussion surrounding the UCR Presidency.
Point A: TE is a good leader Point B: He was given undue stress at the time he announced he was quitting Point C: The stress forced him into making a rushed decision for successor Point D: This decision should not be considered legitimate Point E: We should set up a valid system to establish a legitimate successor
Point A: TE is a good leader
So, I know that TheEvidence has gotten a lot of hate from people in UCR and from the clan community. Some people think he's a bad leader, but I disagree. The only problem I saw was that he wasn't active enough, though I admit that I wasn't paying close attention because I quit doing anything that entails responsibility.
Why wasn't he active? Well... TE actually has a life. When I say that I don't mean like you or me hanging out with friends but that he really doesn't care that much about ROBLOX. When I chose him to be the leader, I took into account his plethora of masterful leadership skills, but I didn't know at the time how busy his schedule was.
I think it's a shame that he couldn't have been President for longer. No matter what he says, he would have been the greatest leader in UCR history. I hope he stays on and continues to help out as a vice president and senior advisor.
Point B: He was given undue stress at the time he announced he was quitting
Now, there's also my thoughts surrounding succession of TE.
I was upset at first when I heard he was retiring, but when he stated the group would go to CakeTheory, I thought back to some recent conversations I had with Cake. Cake seemed like a totally different version of the person who took over UCR following the confusion of Catlord5's era. He was extremely motivated and had described some decisive changes for UCR's upcoming weeks.
Instead of allowing a clean succession, hacker1leo suddenly burst in and announced candidacy. He was instantly supported by people who either did not know "New Cake" or did not know hacker's past.
Hacker soon withdrew his candidacy amidst much criticism and jeering, but the damage was done. The succession was thrown into chaos. Instead of a clean succession, the pressure was put in TE.
About two weeks ago the northeast got hit by Hurricane Sandy, which effectively knocked out power for many of us. Predicting the effects of the storm, TE delayed handing off UCR to Cake. Unfortunately, this only allowed more time for criticism to build.
Point C: The stress forced him into making a rushed decision for successor
This culminated in hacker1leo and TheEvidence getting into a flame war on the forum. Hacker was subsequently exiled for his insubordination and blatant flame. The community backlashed against TE, FURTHER increasing the pressure on him. He felt utterly pressured to make a decision ASAP.
Cake, trick555, and I, who all live in the NYC metro area, lost power due to the hurricane, putting off the decision.
Trick luckily had his power restored about a day later. Cake's was restored last Tuesday and me just today.
However, during this period of time, TE pondered the question of succession in much depth. His decision, however, became corrupted due to the acrimonious criticism that built up enormous levels of pressure in him.
Point D: This decision should not be considered legitimate
He initially called for an election between trick and Cake, but, without even directly consulting either of them, he immediately handed off the group. He gave it to trick without an election, without even allowing either the time to influence his decision.
In all regards, it is clear that his decision was rushed and should not be presumed valid and preferential to UCR. I declare that we should not accept trick as the leader when there was clearly undue stress involved that pressured TE. Had TE not been pressured and had CakeTheory had power, we would likely have seen a different leader in power right now.
First of all, I do not believe it is right to put UCR back into the hands of the "Old Guard" - leaders who want to bring UCR back to the past and/or who have not played much of a role in the construction of its present state. These leaders expect that restoring the very old aspects of UCR - old logo, old ranks, old leaders - will magically bring about some positive change.
Second of all, I believe Cake is much more motivated and over the past few months has an incredibly respectable list of accomplishments. Since handing off UCR, Cake has not stopped working. He has long been a behind the scenes worker, but recently has stepped into the limelight in UCR, emphasizing the qualities we need. Cake has learned so much, and watching him transform has made me greatly hopeful. Additionally, I believe it morally unjust to posit Cake as the next leader of UCR and then, without a word, hand it off to trick. There should be a more structured process that will result in a better leader.
Thirdly, I do not believe trick should be the President of UCR. I had considered him once as a last-ditch alternative had I not found any viable successor upon my quit date, but he was never the choice I wanted. He was a "safe" choice. Today, I believe we can do better than a "safe" choice. Trick mishandled UCR the last time around and, unlike Cake, has not shown any signs of progress and development from the mindset he led with two years ago.
Point E: We should set up a valid system to establish a legitimate successor
There are two methods by which we may determine a legitimate successor.
We may allow each candidate to privately make their case to TheEvidence and have him make his determination in his own mind. This has the benefit of deferring to his original authority, as it should have been to begin with.
We may also hold an election, accompanied by public debates, that would serve the purpose of generating public input on the Presidency process. That would actually, for once, give the term some meaning.
However, I also believe that there are alternatives out there. The Presidency shouldn't simply be fought over by Trick and Cake. Both have already had a chance to lead UCR once before.
While both have qualities that would make them suitable leaders, shouldn't someone else have a chance? Do we really want to send the message that UCR is passed around between the same couple of leaders? Do we really want to tell our members that they have no shot at the Presidency?
To summarize: Right now we cannot within reason say that we have a legitimately ruling President. The current President lacks both the traditional authority backing of the previous leader and the popular authority backing of the people. We MUST reconcile this or face dire consequences for UCR in the long run. |
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Adam335
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| 10 Nov 2012 09:56 PM |
| Technically speaking, UCR elected hacker...lol |
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| 10 Nov 2012 09:57 PM |
| I think having the Candidates presenting themselves in front of High Council+ would work. |
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trick555
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| 10 Nov 2012 09:57 PM |
[21:48] [▬TD▬]: also put logo back [21:49] [▬TD▬]: you need to put all the ranks from Mi to H3 at 200 [21:49] [▬TD▬]: idiota [21:52] [▬TD▬]: AYO DON'T GO AFK ON ME [21:55] Trick: but [21:55] Trick: y [21:58] [▬TD▬]: BECAUSE [21:58] [▬TD▬]: DO IT [21:58] [▬TD▬]: do it or I start a rebellion
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b3njam1n
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| 10 Nov 2012 09:57 PM |
1. If Hacker1leo got all this support, than maybe, just MAYBE he possibly deserved UCR yes? You say no just because you have this suspicion that Caketheory has 'changed' all of a sudden
2. ...Cake Theory, being the notsogreatest president from the past. Why would you give UCR back to an old leader instead of moving forward and progessing? UCR is dying BECAUSE it can't progress. UCR needs a progressive leader who can make change, it's conservativeness and traditional view on clans doesn't work anymore |
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| 10 Nov 2012 09:59 PM |
| IT took me 5 mins to read that. |
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b3njam1n
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| 10 Nov 2012 09:59 PM |
| For the clan to go back to TheEvidence so HE can make a decision based on who can convince him the best, nonono. It should go to what the CLAN believes would be the best leader. Just saying. It's not a democracy but to completely ignore the clan isn't right |
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| 10 Nov 2012 09:59 PM |
don't like either one of them
and are you going to take off that helmet? |
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| 10 Nov 2012 09:59 PM |
Very much agreed.
//-All generalizations are false-\\ |
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TDFall
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| 10 Nov 2012 10:01 PM |
@b3n
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Maybe.... because hacker1leo is unstable, as shown by him raging out at TE on the forum, AAing UCR today, and leaving the group?
He hasn't changed "all of a sudden." I've been watching the group closely for months. You haven't. I've seen how he's made smart decisions, been an effective manager, and garnered public support.
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That argument applies both to trick and to cake, which I address in my final point. It would be better overall if the group goes to someone new. |
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catlord5
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| 10 Nov 2012 10:01 PM |
You contradicted yourself, TD.
CakeTheory also owned UCR in the passed, and you have seen change in him, however, not many of us have noticed anything different.
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Spectric
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TDFall
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| 10 Nov 2012 10:02 PM |
@b3n #2
"For the clan to go back to TheEvidence so HE can make a decision based on who can convince him the best, nonono. It should go to what the CLAN believes would be the best leader. Just saying. It's not a democracy but to completely ignore the clan isn't right"
I don't think it should go back to him, I just think that a viable option would be to defer to the authority of the past leader, because that's the traditional route. There's always the possibility of a democratically elected leader. |
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17hoehbr
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| 10 Nov 2012 10:02 PM |
| @Cat Because nobody else has actually talked to him about the subject. |
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b3njam1n
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| 10 Nov 2012 10:03 PM |
But you're arguing in your statement for an election and debates, this is very much somewhat of what hacker1leo was posting about on the forums prior to the new leader change. And he got respect and support, a lot.
But someone new is really what I'm arguing. Neither cake or trick. Hacker is only my choice cause I really do believe he wants the best for UCR. Not all admin attacks are bad, yeah he did some, but it was a political move against the leader, not to diminish the clan. |
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TDFall
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| 10 Nov 2012 10:04 PM |
@Cat
This isn't an argument FOR Cake but against an illegitimate method for determining the successor. I did state that I believed Cake was a preferable option but the overall message I want to convey is that we should not accept TE's frantic attempts to discard the group as quickly and as cleanly as possible as "legitimate." |
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catlord5
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| 10 Nov 2012 10:05 PM |
17,
But if Cake has been doing things behind the scenes, when we on the outside haven't even seen any change, how the heck are we, the common people, supposed to just take your guys words for EVERYTHING?
I'm not saying Cake hasn't changed, but when we haven't seen anything that shows that he has changed we're going on blind faith to these words that show slight bias.
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TDFall
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| 10 Nov 2012 10:05 PM |
@b3n
He admin attacked today. or something... He demoted every council and then repromoted them. ... whatever that is called...
I'm stating that either choice is a possibility |
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catlord5
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| 10 Nov 2012 10:07 PM |
TD, yes, I do agree that Jcdufus' move was hasty, but I'm it's still only been a week.
The reason WHY UCR started going downhill in the first place is because in the first week people never gave Trick a chance, are we just going to repeat history over and over?
I'll give Trick time to allot change, and if nothing happens, then maybe change of leaders is in order.
Jcdufus shouldn't of even been able to make the decision who the next leader was. He only owned it for a month.
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