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Re: Why do you people find the fall of america unlikely?

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PWNZERKNIT is not online. PWNZERKNIT
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10 Nov 2012 01:40 PM
The average Democracy only lasts 200 years.

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RagEgnite is not online. RagEgnite
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10 Nov 2012 01:45 PM
Where'd you get that from
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infinete is not online. infinete
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10 Nov 2012 01:46 PM
I never found it unlikely. It can end any day with a giant volcano under a park, uneducated people eveywhere, obesity, debt, politicans, rednecks, people like darkfire, etc.
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PWNZERKNIT is not online. PWNZERKNIT
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10 Nov 2012 01:49 PM
Jefferson himself stated that you must water the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Its pretty obviouse what he was reffering to.

Also here is a good explanation of what is occuring in America.


A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville
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PWNZERKNIT is not online. PWNZERKNIT
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10 Nov 2012 01:53 PM
The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville

Obama
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tomato12 is not online. tomato12
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10 Nov 2012 01:53 PM
Tha is why Europe is doomed, and America has a chance to save itself.

~ALADEEN MODAR CHODAR!
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TheRealCommander is not online. TheRealCommander
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10 Nov 2012 01:54 PM
Ikr, they said rome, russia, france, GB etc would never fall.
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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10 Nov 2012 02:13 PM
Because every other era of history is comparable to this on, right?
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PWNZERKNIT is not online. PWNZERKNIT
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10 Nov 2012 02:19 PM
No.

Because the fathers of modern democracy saw and anticipated such.
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MooseHunta is not online. MooseHunta
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10 Nov 2012 02:19 PM
@Avo,
stop beating me to points I was going to make.
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Jake15151 is not online. Jake15151
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10 Nov 2012 03:01 PM
"A people who puts its privileges over it's principles soon loses both."
quoted from someone I forget who

This is what the Roman empire did. America basically = Roman empire. Roman empire got lazy due to kicking butt 24/7, and declined. There are many other factors, but this was the main reason. They just got lazy, as the most powerful. Same thing will happen to America.
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masteries is not online. masteries
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10 Nov 2012 03:14 PM
I've never really found it unlikely, and even it is, I'm not going to live to see it. At least I hope not.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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10 Nov 2012 03:16 PM
How can you have an average life span of democracies since there has only been so few.
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Meekle13 is not online. Meekle13
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10 Nov 2012 03:18 PM
Exactly. Even Rome wasnt a real democracy because they had emperors at points. The United States will continue until someone decides to plung the world into WW3
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MeGustaUganda is not online. MeGustaUganda
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10 Nov 2012 04:03 PM
What.

How can you predict the timelapse of a political system when the times are changing rapidly.

Also, last time I checked, hard most of people would prefer a republic over a democracy.

And Roman empire wasn't even a legit republic, because high people gained 20 votes, then lower people 10, then 5, 2, 1 and the lowest had to for example connect 5 votes to make a 1 vote. Greece wasn't a democracy either, because most people there were in slavery. It more was reminded of an oiligarchy.

Most people do not want to immediately replace the current system with a dictatorship, and I doubt that unless some really deep economic crisis the intensity of the Greek one happens, then it isn't going to happen.

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ReneDescartes is not online. ReneDescartes
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10 Nov 2012 05:19 PM
" the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury "

uh oh
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Jake15151 is not online. Jake15151
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10 Nov 2012 05:20 PM
The Roman empire was a republic, also known as a representative democracy. It was a democracy, by definition. It may have had less democracy elements compared to the United States, but is was a democracy - and it was very similar to the U.S. in terms of our current state of economy (in debt), lack of motivation, etc.
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Flurite is not online. Flurite
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10 Nov 2012 05:22 PM
The United States of America is a republic.
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Chriz13 is not online. Chriz13
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10 Nov 2012 05:22 PM
I personally feel like it's coming, too. My only hope is to have emigrated to Scotland when it does.
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10 Nov 2012 05:25 PM
"The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville

Obama"

correction: every politician nowadays*
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Jake15151 is not online. Jake15151
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10 Nov 2012 05:30 PM
Okay, how exactly is America going to fall? This is the most ludicrous argument I've heard in a while, in terms of feasibility.
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Flurite is not online. Flurite
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10 Nov 2012 05:31 PM
Also, if you'll think America is falling, there is nobody to look at for hope then you and I. We are the next generation expected to keep America rolling.
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Jake15151 is not online. Jake15151
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10 Nov 2012 05:34 PM
I don't see any country that currently, or in the foreseeable future, poses a significant threat to take down the United States.
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CBCWorldNews is not online. CBCWorldNews
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10 Nov 2012 09:44 PM
HAHAHAHA WIN
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Chriz13 is not online. Chriz13
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10 Nov 2012 10:16 PM
@Jake

America isn't going to be taken down, it's taking down itself.
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