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Re: Support for null tools will be removed

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Sorcus is not online. Sorcus
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19 Oct 2012 01:59 PM
Hello there,

Currently, as some of you may have noticed we broke null tools. This is an effect of the bad code causing degenerate states in the engine. We would like to avoid such things. But since these null tools are used pretty extensively, I have got this breaking change toggled to be a warning instead.

We will be re-applying this change to breaking them, pretty soon. This will also be coupled with the release of PlayerMouse updates that allows for

a) changing the mouse icon
b) click to move green dot thing is allowed to be disabled

Now, in this thread, you can help me by pointing out other stuff that the PlayerMouse lacks that we need to add before null tools go away.

-- Sorcus
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RenderSettings is not online. RenderSettings
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19 Oct 2012 02:08 PM
Can you at least re-add support to make it so people can't unequip tools then? You guys broke LocalBackpack a long time ago, which was pretty much the best way to do that.
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belial52 is not online. belial52
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19 Oct 2012 02:22 PM
Thank you for implementing my suggestion of unlocking :SetClickToWalkEnabled(). :D
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TurboMonkey25 is not online. TurboMonkey25
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19 Oct 2012 02:44 PM
If only i knew what this was

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mew903 is not online. mew903
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19 Oct 2012 02:47 PM
*sees lordbyte fanshirt*

Why am I not surprised?
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RenderSettings is not online. RenderSettings
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19 Oct 2012 03:12 PM
@mew Just to troll RT with when I was friends with Roblox, since everyone else in his friends list also had it on =P
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Veldahar is not online. Veldahar
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19 Oct 2012 03:13 PM
Hell yes
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mew903 is not online. mew903
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19 Oct 2012 03:33 PM
Render I think lordpoop is a bad influence on you.
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Legend26 is not online. Legend26
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19 Oct 2012 03:42 PM
@Sorcus,

Why can't we link to the lua website? I thought the mods said some time recently that links to there were allowed. /annoyed person with 1 longer mod history

As to 'null' tools, what do you mean? HopperBins? HopperBins + Parent = nil when selected? wut?
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nightname is not online. nightname
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19 Oct 2012 03:48 PM
@Legend

Exactly that. He does not want people to parent a tool, then delete it to access the Mouse.

I didn't know we had a PlayerMouse object until now. I need to go check the wiki...
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Legend26 is not online. Legend26
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19 Oct 2012 03:53 PM
@nn,

There used to be a Player.PlayerMouse object. Now you get the PlayerMouse from Player::GetMouse and it actually works.
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Prehistoricman is not online. Prehistoricman
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19 Oct 2012 03:57 PM
We need to be able to-

Yeah sorry you mentioned that in your post lol.

@somebodyelse

http://www.roblox.com/User.aspx?ID=2348652

????
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Prehistoricman is not online. Prehistoricman
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19 Oct 2012 03:58 PM
What a namesnipe by the famous 129K

http://www.roblox.com/User.aspx?ID=32092487

PlayerMouse is banned. I checked.
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Quenty is not online. Quenty
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19 Oct 2012 04:01 PM
Can we get middle button support (Little scrolling wheel)?

It would make my scroll bar a whole lot better.

Also, can we get support back for old-style building tools? Or should we start making pseudo ones?
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Prehistoricman is not online. Prehistoricman
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19 Oct 2012 04:03 PM
^
Sure we don't already have this?
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eJorge is not online. eJorge
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19 Oct 2012 04:06 PM
http://wiki.roblox.com/index.php/WheelForward_(Event)
http://wiki.roblox.com/index.php/WheelBackward_(Event)
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ArceusInator is not online. ArceusInator
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19 Oct 2012 04:08 PM
Am I the only one here who doesn't know what a null tool is?
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blobbyblob is not online. blobbyblob
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19 Oct 2012 04:16 PM
"Also, can we get support back for old-style building tools? Or should we start making pseudo ones?"
Dude, already made.

http://www.roblox.com/Standard-Building-Tools-DeNoobified-item?id=28836042

Just take out all the code meant to prevent players from deleting other player's stuff and copying tons of bricks.
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Sorcus is not online. Sorcus
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19 Oct 2012 04:18 PM
If you don't know what you are talking about or aren't updated on the latest bug fixes(such as RMB events working, scroll wheel working) and stuff, stay out of this thread. You are welcome.

-- Sorcus
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popinman322 is not online. popinman322
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19 Oct 2012 04:48 PM
@Sorcus

Someone said they wanted a way to anchor the mouse and track mouse movements...
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SourceOfEvil is not online. SourceOfEvil
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19 Oct 2012 04:49 PM
@arceus,
its when you remove the tool as soon as the player equips it. it has no point now though
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popinman322 is not online. popinman322
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19 Oct 2012 04:50 PM
Please add delta values to Mouse.Move.
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popinman322 is not online. popinman322
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19 Oct 2012 04:52 PM
Please add a read-only IsLocked member so we don't have to rely on hackish first-person checks.
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popinman322 is not online. popinman322
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19 Oct 2012 04:53 PM
Please fix the key codes returned by the mouse's key events. (WE WANT CONTROL KEYZ)
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Quenty is not online. Quenty
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19 Oct 2012 04:54 PM
I hadn't realized scroll worked.

I would still like to request a way to shutdown scroll from effecting zoom.

Something like...

Mouse:SetScrollActive(true)

or

Mouse:SetAllowMouseZoom(true)
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