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Re: Let's have a rigorous discussion on socialism.

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Jamocha is not online. Jamocha
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07 Oct 2012 09:13 PM
Why do people think that socialism is directly related to communism? They're two completely different philosophies.
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9prind is not online. 9prind
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07 Oct 2012 09:16 PM
well they are similar in some ways. like the idea that business should be publicly owned. however just beause i disagree with socialism does not mean all of its ideas are bad.
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playfromscratch is not online. playfromscratch
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07 Oct 2012 09:17 PM
It's not Democracy
Therefore it's evil

-From, America
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9prind is not online. 9prind
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07 Oct 2012 09:18 PM
"It's not Democracy
Therefore it's evil"

socialism is an economic system. you can have a socialist democracy.
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Jamocha is not online. Jamocha
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07 Oct 2012 09:18 PM
Well, America, socialism is an economical philosophy: it's not based on government. Democratic socialist nations can definitely exist.
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playfromscratch is not online. playfromscratch
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07 Oct 2012 09:19 PM
I'm being sarcastic. America has this thing about Democracy being the best; so we spread it around at the muzzle of a gun...
I was making fun of that mindset.

Please excuse my underdevoloped political mind.
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Jamocha is not online. Jamocha
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07 Oct 2012 09:20 PM
Democracy is the best form of government that exists.
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dxhardys12 is not online. dxhardys12
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07 Oct 2012 09:21 PM
because FOX tells us everything we 'know'
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Brickmaster134 is not online. Brickmaster134
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07 Oct 2012 09:23 PM
Socialism and Communism both bring horrible living conditions and quality of life.
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9prind is not online. 9prind
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07 Oct 2012 09:23 PM
"I'm being sarcastic. America has this thing about Democracy being the best; so we spread it around at the muzzle of a gun...
I was making fun of that mindset.

Please excuse my underdevoloped political mind."


im pretty sure after bieng opressed by the taliban the people of afganistan want democracy....
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playfromscratch is not online. playfromscratch
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07 Oct 2012 09:23 PM
Eh... Democracy being the best is up for debate.
People with little knowledge can vote (me in a couple years).
Emotional momentum can slide voters to do stupid things (such as Athens attacking Sparta).
And a sort of lack of fairness that comes with free market economy.
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Brickmaster134 is not online. Brickmaster134
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07 Oct 2012 09:25 PM
Life sucks without freedom, simple as that. I thought it was common sense but a lot of people have to be told twice and still don't get it.
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Milbert23 is not online. Milbert23
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07 Oct 2012 09:26 PM
under extremely ideal conditions totalitarianism would be the most effective, efficient and fair.

of course, so would fascism.
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9prind is not online. 9prind
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07 Oct 2012 09:26 PM
"Eh... Democracy being the best is up for debate."

the idea of democracy is the best. it however is not practical.

"People with little knowledge can vote (me in a couple years)."

people with little knowledge tend to not vote.

"Emotional momentum can slide voters to do stupid things (such as Athens attacking Sparta)."

yes but you take that risk when you make everyone equal give them rights and allow them to govern themselves.

"And a sort of lack of fairness that comes with free market economy."

the free market is generally fair. however in america it has become stagnant with large companies buying out good ideas or competition. this can be fixed.
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07 Oct 2012 09:27 PM
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9prind is not online. 9prind
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07 Oct 2012 09:28 PM
"under extremely ideal conditions totalitarianism would be the most effective, efficient and fair.

of course, so would fascism."

in order to get the most efficient system you have to balance personal well bieng with societal well bieng.fascism and totalitarianism fail the first.
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mangofloat is not online. mangofloat
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07 Oct 2012 09:29 PM
i personally think a monarchy is the best and worst form of government

if the monarch is smart, they have complete control and can do anything they want and make their nation progress very quickly in a short period of time. however, when the current monarch in power is inexperienced, there are disastrous consequences
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Milbert23 is not online. Milbert23
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07 Oct 2012 09:32 PM
if you had an incorruptible figure who is not swayed by religion or their own personal interests as the sole figure for the longest period possible, it would be superior to any other form of government

of course, this very, very rarely happens and the people tend to value their civil rights over their political "rights"
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Jamocha is not online. Jamocha
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08 Oct 2012 02:57 PM
The philosophies of both communism and socialism are rational until they're applied to humanity.
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