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hacker1leo is not online. hacker1leo
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
Total Posts: 13536
06 Oct 2012 09:52 AM
I will be blunt and cold in my explanation of UCR's real problems. The real reason people suffer this era. Why we don't grow exponentially. Why when you go to a base there's no one home.

UCR was a group larger than any other. Stronger than all of them. UCR would flood servers like tsunamis topple Hawaii, and what happened?

What happened was US. The new generation of HRs and mid ranks. Saying "no this was wrong" or "this is better".

I go to trainings now and then and I can only tell you that it doesn't work. Training to have discipline? Training to what! You cant discipline a robloxian. You just can't. Because there ARE NOT REAL CONSEQUENCES. As far as anyone is concerned they harass the entire clan and leave the next day without incident.

Discipline is a false reality.

Then what has become of this family. Too afraid to even stay and fight.

Do you know what caused this all? Do you even care to find out?

UCR turned into a bunch of pansies because instead of fighting we were training. UCR lost social structure, they don't even have the right to talk at training because allegedly not talking shows discipline. No where on the battlefield will you be silent- you have to talk. You have to move. That's why UCR perform so poorly, because at trainings you give them feelings that they are alone in the combat realm- that UCR are not there just themselves.

Then there are the bases. My god I've not seen anything as boring. But what are we doing? Are we waiting for improvement from HRs?

It's hard to make these things without full participation. and I know why you wouldn't want to participate.


HRs, where is your work! Where is it and why don't you show it. I want to see HRs working on UCR's fun aspect. Where is the fun, I ask you.

It's gone. It's dry like UCR has become.

and the only answer is a social revolution- not a rebellion- not another reform- but together we must wake up. WAKE. UP. Realize that it was never wrong when we first started- but that WE ARE wrong.

I don't know if any of you read this entire document, but I don't care. If I don't see change I am leaving and trust you'll never see me again.
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Swordmaker is not online. Swordmaker
Joined: 06 Mar 2009
Total Posts: 13627
06 Oct 2012 09:54 AM
FINALLY A HIGHRANK OTHER THEN PAT IS OPEN TO SAY THIS AND ISN'T BLIND AS HELL ABOUT IT


- gooby pls, OT is betta -
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SkyDubnium is not online. SkyDubnium
Joined: 15 Dec 2011
Total Posts: 10719
06 Oct 2012 09:54 AM
Support and fully agreed, this isn't the way we raised, this isn't the way we should have to live.
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catlord5 is not online. catlord5
Joined: 13 Jun 2008
Total Posts: 16355
06 Oct 2012 09:55 AM
If I wasn't busy in VAK, I would come back and work with you Hacker.

l-C5-l
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Blockerjr800th is not online. Blockerjr800th
Joined: 24 May 2010
Total Posts: 3175
06 Oct 2012 09:56 AM
"Are we waiting for improvement from HRs?"

No, I'm waiting for them to get yelled by the owner. When will that happen?
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SkyDubnium is not online. SkyDubnium
Joined: 15 Dec 2011
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06 Oct 2012 09:56 AM
catlord i swear to god if u dont give up on following brian ima take ur bowtie and eat it
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Cman200137 is not online. Cman200137
Joined: 13 Nov 2011
Total Posts: 781
06 Oct 2012 09:56 AM
i agree with hacker talking is probably one of the most useful things also what use is tourneys they just prove you are bad not improve you
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TheUltimation is not online. TheUltimation
Joined: 24 Sep 2011
Total Posts: 35720
06 Oct 2012 09:56 AM
Support.
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hacker1leo is not online. hacker1leo
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
Total Posts: 13536
06 Oct 2012 09:57 AM
@Block

I'll yell at them for god's sake.
I want to see people pledging their hearts out.
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connorking88 is not online. connorking88
Joined: 13 Sep 2013
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06 Oct 2012 09:57 AM
Agreed.
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Redsoxs4 is not online. Redsoxs4
Joined: 15 Jun 2011
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06 Oct 2012 09:57 AM
Support.
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St0rmx is not online. St0rmx
Joined: 23 Mar 2010
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06 Oct 2012 10:03 AM
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epicblast220 is not online. epicblast220
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
Total Posts: 999
06 Oct 2012 10:03 AM
I am neutral on this I don't Strongly Agree not Strongly Disagree

I remember back then, UCR Training only used Admin commands to Shout and only discipline when the case is actually to an extreme of that command is needed.

I agree that admin use and discipline is a little too harsh.

For example, If someone just joins the server they will most likely say a Greeting. Sometimes I see them get kicked for saying Hi or whatever, but they only talked because they didn't know you couldn't talk. Same with People saying brb and back, they don't know what went on the time they were on Brb or AFK, and they get kicked or killed for that. I think that if you should be allowed to ask questions or ask permission to speak if told to be quiet, you shouldn't be kicked or killed. All you need to do is say something like "Not at the moment", or "Wait till the end of this activity", etc.

A thing I disagree with is, you can't be 100% easy going, you need to be strict at times, otherwise you might end up with chaos and disrespect, and you do not want that either.

Low Ranks look up Mx and High Ranks, so we need to act professional at all times. But I agree we need to tone down the strictness at certain times.
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epicblast220 is not online. epicblast220
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
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06 Oct 2012 10:05 AM
Also by saying this:

"I remember back then, UCR Training only used Admin commands to Shout and only discipline when the case is actually to an extreme of that command is needed, and people didn't feel bad off themselves but had fun".

I said that because we need UCR training's too be more like the ones back then.
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funnymagic8ball is not online. funnymagic8ball
Joined: 19 Jun 2011
Total Posts: 4485
06 Oct 2012 10:06 AM
Support




3 time ex-EBR member, FM8B
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halo720 is not online. halo720
Joined: 21 Aug 2008
Total Posts: 608
06 Oct 2012 10:06 AM
Support.

@Cman, did you even read? He is saying the exact opposite.
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8SunTzu8 is not online. 8SunTzu8
Joined: 30 Sep 2011
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06 Oct 2012 10:07 AM
If things don't turn out well and you do leave, you could join CSA. ;)

Anyway, I don't fully agree with everything, discipline is essential and possible, and you don't always need to talk in battle, however, things should feel free and fun, that is what war clans are for.

You need discipline, people who will follow orders, work as a team, and show determination to win. Willpower. But you don't want to make the clan stressful and boring at the same time. It's one of the reasons I didn't like IoM.

"Contact me if you are interested in becoming a developer, innovator, or recruiter for CSA."
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epicblast220 is not online. epicblast220
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
Total Posts: 999
06 Oct 2012 10:08 AM
But overall, I am more towards Supporting on this.
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weaselman12345 is not online. weaselman12345
Joined: 24 Feb 2010
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06 Oct 2012 10:09 AM
I fully agree with you hacker.
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8SunTzu8 is not online. 8SunTzu8
Joined: 30 Sep 2011
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06 Oct 2012 10:10 AM
@Epic, you explained things nicely.

Killing shouldn't be used for discipline, perhaps punish, and explain what they did wrong.

And small bits of talking shouldn't be frowned upon either... :/

Some clans are just too strict, while others have no order at all. Order is needed, but a complete state of marshal law is not.

"Contact me if you are interested in becoming a developer, innovator, or recruiter for CSA."
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ExplosiveGrenade is not online. ExplosiveGrenade
Joined: 15 Jan 2011
Total Posts: 12906
06 Oct 2012 10:12 AM
Was on for a second or two and saw this. UCR, does look better then it did 2 months ago, but it still needs work. Im not going to pretend to know what your current problems are, but from what hacker is saying, is build a community, someplace you want to be, something i told many before i quit.

-]-[- EG -]-[-
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epicblast220 is not online. epicblast220
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
Total Posts: 999
06 Oct 2012 10:12 AM
@Sun

Exactly.

We need to meet in the smack middle

Not To strict, but not to easy going either.
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squidboi2 is not online. squidboi2
Joined: 25 Apr 2009
Total Posts: 52336
06 Oct 2012 10:12 AM
'Training to have discipline? Training to what! You cant discipline a robloxian. You just can't. Because there ARE NOT REAL CONSEQUENCES.'

Discipline doesn't work for clans that people can just join.

Request to join clans make it work though.
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ExplosiveGrenade is not online. ExplosiveGrenade
Joined: 15 Jan 2011
Total Posts: 12906
06 Oct 2012 10:13 AM
@squid, yes but in terms of free-to-join clans, there are different levels of discipline.

-]-[- EG -]-[-
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squidboi2 is not online. squidboi2
Joined: 25 Apr 2009
Total Posts: 52336
06 Oct 2012 10:15 AM
@Explosive

There is 0 discipline in free-to-join clans.

Like hacker said there's nothing you can really do to punish someone when they can just rejoin.
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