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Re: The US has 737 military bases in other countries.

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CommanderRoblock is not online. CommanderRoblock
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25 Sep 2012 03:07 AM
Iran has 0 military bases outside it's borders.

Iran spends $7,044,000,000 on it's Military.

The US spends $687,105,000,000 (not counting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan). This is nearly 100 times what Iran spends.

Israel has between 75 and 200 nuclear warheads.

Iran has research facilities.

The US has approximately 5,113 active and inactive nuclear warheads and approximately 3,500 warheads retired and awaiting dismantlement. The 5,113 active and inactive nuclear warhead stockpile includes 1,790 deployed strategic warheads, approximately 500 operational tactical weapons, and approximately 2,645 inactive warheads.

The claims that Iran “violated non-proliferation (NPT) obligations.” Iran and others dispute that claim, but what about Israel? Israel refuses to sign the NPT or allow any of its nuclear facilities to be inspected. On September 18, 2009, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) called on Israel to join the NPT and open its nuclear facilities to inspection. Israel—backed by the U.S.—refused.

Which is the only country to have ever dropped a nuclear bomb? The United States. In August 1945, it dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan, killing 150,000‑240,000 people (with many more dying of the effects of radiation for years after).

Even if the U.S. has many nuclear weapons, aren’t “our” leaders rational people who seek to avoid conflict, while Iran’s leaders are unstable lunatics who can’t be trusted to possess nuclear weapons? (Or as Obama said in 2009 at Oslo, “modern technology allows a few small men with outsized rage to murder innocents on a horrific scale.”)

Let’s look at a few of those men threatening the world with nuclear destruction: Daniel Ellsberg exposed that during the 1950s and 1960s, the U.S. drew up plans to wage a nuclear war that would have obliterated “most cities and people in the Northern Hemisphere.” Ellsberg wrote, “The total death toll as calculated by the Joint Chiefs, from a U.S. first strike aimed primarily at the Soviet Union and China, would be roughly 600 million dead. A hundred Holocausts.”

Former U.S. President Richard Nixon nearly started a nuclear war in 1969 by carrying out his “madman” theory of brinksmanship—whereby he made a conscious decision that it would be good if the U.S.’s opponents perceived he was crazy enough to actually use nuclear weapons as part of playing nuclear “chicken” with them.

In 1984, U.S. President Ronald Reagan (promoted as an American icon by the leaders of both the Republican and Democratic parties) “joked”—“My fellow Americans, I’m pleased to tell you today that I’ve signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.” He also talked of welcoming Armageddon—the end of the world. Amitabh Pal wrote, “In 1971, he proclaimed to a dinner companion, ‘For the first time ever, everything is in place for the battle of Armageddon and the second coming of Christ.’ In 1980, he told evangelist Jim Bakker on his television program, ‘We may be the generation that sees Armageddon.’”

By this information we can obviously see evil islamist dictatorship of crazyistan aka "iran" is the biggest threat to the western world and an obvious supporter of war and violence.



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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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25 Sep 2012 06:08 AM
Good
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CommanderRoblock is not online. CommanderRoblock
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25 Sep 2012 06:15 AM
"Good"

Well that was an informative, clear and well elaborated response.

5 Stars.

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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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25 Sep 2012 06:32 AM
US dropped their two nuclear bombs to win a war that would have killed more people and lasted for another year.

Israel has never called a country a cancer that must be destroyed. The IAEA was not allowed to inspect their facilities which probably do hold nuclear weapons.

While in Iran, they have called Israel a cancer that must be destroyed. The IAEA was not allowed to inspect some of their facilities which for all we know could hold nuclear weapons.

The USA spends more on military because it has a much bigger and much more technologically advanced.

Iran has no military bases outside their borders because nobody likes them and they would probably get attacked if they built one.

USA has military bases in other countries, mainly in allied countries. In places like South Korea, it is for their defence. In other countries, it is somewhat for their defence. I am against military bases in the middle of nowhere.

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CommanderRoblock is not online. CommanderRoblock
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25 Sep 2012 06:38 AM
US dropped their two nuclear bombs to win a war that would have killed more people and lasted for another year. < - Again trying to justify terrorism.

Israel has never called a country a cancer that must be destroyed. The IAEA was not allowed to inspect their facilities which probably do hold nuclear weapons. < - They do have Nuclear Weapons, and more disturbing, the Samson Option.

While in Iran, they have called Israel a cancer that must be destroyed. The IAEA was not allowed to inspect some of their facilities which for all we know could hold nuclear weapons. < - Israel refers to Arabs as "Animals that must be kept in cages" BTW, it's a cancer.


The USA spends more on military because it has a much bigger and much more technologically advanced. < - Because it's bombing everyone and needs said technology to kill more goat farmers.

Iran has no military bases outside their borders because nobody likes them and they would probably get attacked if they built one. < - Iran has no military bases because they haven't been in a full blown war for 20 years unlike other certain countries.


USA has military bases in other countries, mainly in allied countries. In places like South Korea, it is for their defence. In other countries, it is somewhat for their defence. I am against military bases in the middle of nowhere. < - No, mainly places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Dubai, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait ect...

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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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25 Sep 2012 06:46 AM
US dropped their two nuclear bombs to win a war that would have killed more people and lasted for another year. < - Again trying to justify terrorism.
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That's not a rebuttal.

Israel has never called a country a cancer that must be destroyed. The IAEA was not allowed to inspect their facilities which probably do hold nuclear weapons. < - They do have Nuclear Weapons, and more disturbing, the Samson Option.
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I never said they don't hAve nuclear weapons, but prove the Samson option.

While in Iran, they have called Israel a cancer that must be destroyed. The IAEA was not allowed to inspect some of their facilities which for all we know could hold nuclear weapons. < - Israel refers to Arabs as "Animals that must be kept in cages" BTW, it's a cancer.
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Proof and cancer is a disease, not a country. Also, that comment disgusts me.


The USA spends more on military because it has a much bigger and much more technologically advanced. < - Because it's bombing everyone and needs said technology to kill more goat farmers.
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Proof that it is ombing everyone?

Iran has no military bases outside their borders because nobody likes them and they would probably get attacked if they built one. < - Iran has no military bases because they haven't been in a full blown war for 20 years unlike other certain countries.
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Or maybe it's because what I said


USA has military bases in other countries, mainly in allied countries. In places like South Korea, it is for their defence. In other countries, it is somewhat for their defence. I am against military bases in the middle of nowhere. < - No, mainly places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Dubai, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait ect...
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Iraq, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are US allies, and Dubai isn't a country.

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CommanderRoblock is not online. CommanderRoblock
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25 Sep 2012 06:48 AM
"proof they are bombing everyone"

Are you by any chance completely BLIND to the world around you?

Since 1942 the US been in combat with about 52 + foreign nations.


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Pantelas is not online. Pantelas
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25 Sep 2012 07:34 AM
Guess where the biggest ones are...

oh yes,
Kosovo and FYROM.
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Candymaniac is not online. Candymaniac
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25 Sep 2012 07:35 AM
Bombing everyone?

Drone attacks.

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CommanderRoblock is not online. CommanderRoblock
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25 Sep 2012 07:54 AM
Israel has never called a country a cancer that must be destroyed. The IAEA was not allowed to inspect their facilities which probably do hold nuclear weapons. < - They do have Nuclear Weapons, and more disturbing, the Samson Option.
I never said they don't hAve nuclear weapons, but prove the Samson option.
While in Iran, they have called Israel a cancer that must be destroyed. The IAEA was not allowed to inspect some of their facilities which for all we know could hold nuclear weapons. < - Israel refers to Arabs as "Animals that must be kept in cages" BTW, it's a cancer.
Proof and cancer is a disease, not a country. Also, that comment disgusts me.
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Israeli politicians have made their fair share of anti-arab remarks.
A lot more than Iran's government has.


The USA spends more on military because it has a much bigger and much more technologically advanced. < - Because it's bombing everyone and needs said technology to kill more goat farmers.
Proof that it is ombing everyone?
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You're retarded for asking that.
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Iran has no military bases outside their borders because nobody likes them and they would probably get attacked if they built one. < - Iran has no military bases because they haven't been in a full blown war for 20 years unlike other certain countries.
Or maybe it's because what I said
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Or maybe it's because they aren't bombing everyone.

USA has military bases in other countries, mainly in allied countries. In places like South Korea, it is for their defence. In other countries, it is somewhat for their defence. I am against military bases in the middle of nowhere. < - No, mainly places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Dubai, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait ect...
Iraq, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are US allies, and Dubai isn't a country.
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And those bases are used to bomb the neighboring countries.

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sinii is not online. sinii
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25 Sep 2012 08:10 AM
All the other countries should tell USA to gtfо.
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Oreology is not online. Oreology
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25 Sep 2012 08:19 AM
when they do they get hated and become terrists and bombed, so that's why nobody has ever really complaint.

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SSstar is not online. SSstar
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25 Sep 2012 10:06 AM
*Rants about how Israel is doing horrible things and that the USA isn't doing enough about it*

hmmm.
never heard this arguement before.
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DanBloxTheGreat is not online. DanBloxTheGreat
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25 Sep 2012 01:06 PM
It's not just nuclear bombs, it's everything with the US. It's tiresome to continue reading all their accusing the east of violence and terrorism when they kill 2,000 people in Pakistan with drone strikes, 1,976 of which are innocent, and a mere 14 were the actual targets.

And who knows how much more were killed in Somalia and Yemen. It's logical when you think about it, fight fire with fire, so why not wage war on terrorism with MORE TERROR.

It drives me nuts that they are everywhere and we can't do anything about it but complain, and even when we do that will western media allow it to be heard?

Donald Trump even went so far as to say that he wanted the American soldiers to take Iraq's oil so that their lives don't go in vain... Yeh you can get the oil, over my d ead body, and they won't have a problem with doing that, over my d ead body it is.
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Laurisreinho is not online. Laurisreinho
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25 Sep 2012 01:19 PM
I live near one base.
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DanBloxTheGreat is not online. DanBloxTheGreat
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25 Sep 2012 01:24 PM
The problem is that a lot of the richest Arab countries are American allies. Leaving the poorer countries with not much help.

The American "enemies" if you can even call them active enemies, are divided, this sounds cheesy but YES united they CAN succeed.
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Avogadro is not online. Avogadro
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25 Sep 2012 03:56 PM
What's your point? I could be packing a Revolver and walking through the streets keeping to myself, and then a lunatic with a stick jumps out and attacks me. Being better armed than the lunatic doesn't make me somehow morally in the wrong.
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SgtTrollFaic is not online. SgtTrollFaic
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25 Sep 2012 07:24 PM
How can the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki be defined as terrorism.

Japan was fully aware of what they were doing when they refused to surrender, and since Imperialism is bad (you spout about it every ten minutes "the us is imprlist umg umg evil west.") and it is generally bad for one government to control the entire world.

Terrorism is the intent to instill fear or terror into a society or group with the goal of personal gain. Ending a war which killed hundreds of thousands of people the best way possible, after informing said enemy of your intentions, seems pretty fair.
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dxhardys12 is not online. dxhardys12
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25 Sep 2012 10:55 PM
Japan in WW2 was a bad warlord run country
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CommanderRoblock is not online. CommanderRoblock
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26 Sep 2012 01:33 AM
"Terrorism is the intent to instill fear or terror into a society or group"

Because Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't the very definition of that.
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@Guy who said the argument is overused

Just because people have said it before doesn't make it wrong.

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26 Sep 2012 08:37 AM
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sinii is not online. sinii
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26 Sep 2012 08:39 AM
They weren't terrorist actions?...
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CommanderRoblock is not online. CommanderRoblock
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26 Sep 2012 09:10 AM
Terrorism:

The use of violence to intimidate a population or government into submission.


WELL GEE I WANDER WHAT HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI WAS


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SSstar is not online. SSstar
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26 Sep 2012 11:10 AM
I'm going to stop you there because it seems like you magically missed part of what terrorism means.

"Terrorism is the intent to instill fear or terror into a society or group with the goal of personal gain"

Anyone else see it? No?

"with the goal of personal gain"

Explain to me how bombing Japan to end a war was doing something for personal gain...
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CommanderRoblock is not online. CommanderRoblock
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26 Sep 2012 11:13 AM
According to the dictionary I have:

Noun:
The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

"Political Aims"

I'd label being lazy, wasting countless lives of Marines in vain so you could just go and kill 60,000+ people, including babies and little children then thousands more from radiation poisoning or as thepit put it "saving US lives" as a political aim.

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