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Lol'ed at ISO's "Fact" thread.

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bubbley27 is not online. bubbley27
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21 Sep 2012 10:28 PM
So ISO was blabbering about how he was going to make a completely legitimate thread with cold facts about why Arcen is better.


Basically, he just flamed us, wrote incredibly biased opinions, and never ONCE supplied a TRUE fact with EVIDENCE to back it up.

He then locked comment replies for a pretty obvious reason.


Anyways, here it is:

"***GOOD THINGS ABOUT THE GRAND IMPERIUM***

-They're pretty stupid, but not the most stupid in the clan world.

-Some high-ranks.
Some of their high-ranks are alright people.

-Numbers
A lot of members.

-Funds
A lot of money brings a lot of ads for members.

***BAD THINGS ABOUT THE GRAND IMPERIUM***

1. Arrogant
The arrogance is out of hand to the point it gets annoying. I'm not saying you should have a low self-esteem. But if you're going to update people on how you "won a raid" you should do this via shout.

2. It's just another group.
The Grand Imperium does not really impress me. There's nothing really to boast about except for the fact that they managed to win servers against 5 of the worse super-clan's lowest ranks.

3. How the training system works.
Sword-fighting tournaments. It's not viable at all. Nothing important is taught at their training sessions. Tournaments don't really show any kind of skill improvement.

4. The donations for VIP
A LOT of TGI high-ranks and low-ranks have said this.
The donations for VIP are extremely annoying. Raiders should not have to pay to be able to win at the base. I doubt they would have been able to handle the VD invasion yesterday without all of the VIPs being purchased for each-other.

5. Leader has too much concepts copied and ripped off of other groups.
The "arcadian confederacy" works just like the VD does.
Castellian tends to rip off what VAK does a lot. (Not intended to flame, it's the truth)!

There are a lot of bad things about the group that outweigh the good things. There's no way you can prove argument 4 wrong. And a high-rank has explained to me how training works. I have even attended a TGI training. You can't say the Arcadian Confederacy is NOT like the Vaktovian Dominion. It is. The combat in the base is too repetitive and it gets boring.

Now I'm going to talk about Arcen.

***BAD THINGS ABOUT THE ARCEN***

1. Development is slow.
We really only have one major scripter, and we are going to be building over ten bases.
2. Slow promotions
Promotions will take months-years.

***GOOD THINGS ABOUT ARCEN***

1. Unique
The name is good, the scripts are good, the concept is good, the group is going to where it was intended to be headed towards.

2. Not so boring
You won't be doing the same things every day in the group. It's going to be a big release hopefully.

3. Training sessions are actually more viable.
You have so much things to learn at Arcen training sessions. It is also hard to master. You can train by yourself or with a group of people. The things we are planning are completely new.

4. Base/gun design
Nothing you would see on roblox normally.

5. Bonds between the group.
We're not just a group. The bonds are extremely tight.

I can go on. TGI and Arcen both share some of the same pros.

**SHOULD YOU LEAVE TGI?**

No. Not unless this thread has opened eyes, in which I assume it would not because of the most common trait in an "arcadian". You should not leave the group because it will justify you being loyal. You can't leave the group without a proper reason. I won't convert people in TGI.

I may post a second version of this thread."
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And there you have it.

The whole thing is him calling our members morons and claiming about how inferior we are to Arcen, even when Arcen has yet to prove itself to anyone.


Thank you for supplying us with your opinions ISO.


We can now confirm our suspicions of you being an 11 year old child who thinks anything he makes or does is better than something he doesn't like.


Good game ISO, try harder next time.
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BowMaster9 is not online. BowMaster9
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21 Sep 2012 10:30 PM
a serious thread on C&G?
also, go arcen.
ISO is cool.

best makedonijia siggy ye ye
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ISOLAYTOR is not online. ISOLAYTOR
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21 Sep 2012 10:30 PM
You justify everything that is wrong about TGI.

I gave good and bad opinions on both groups.

Most of the things I said about TGI were facts.

☼ Arcen King. ☼
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bubbley27 is not online. bubbley27
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21 Sep 2012 10:32 PM
By the way, if you are reading this here thread ISO, I wanted to point out something you obviously know nothing about.


"3. How the training system works.
Sword-fighting tournaments. It's not viable at all. Nothing important is taught at their training sessions. Tournaments don't really show any kind of skill improvement."


Our trainings are NOTHING like this. We have team-SF tournys, to teach more of a broader cooperation basis. We also have them run obbies under various situations, have various types of GF scenarios and matches in which we always give hints and tips through the round, and have designed several fun games that teach various skills and characters.



So please make sure you know what the hell you are talking about next time you decide to flame a group that has proved itself time and time again, while yours has yet to do anything significant.
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ISOLAYTOR is not online. ISOLAYTOR
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21 Sep 2012 10:33 PM
SF tourneys do nothing. Obbies do nothing.
You're stupid.

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bubbley27 is not online. bubbley27
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21 Sep 2012 10:34 PM
"-They're pretty stupid, but not the most stupid in the clan world."



That is not a fact ISO, that is another one of your pathetic flame attempts.


Go ahead and look of Facts and Opinions in the dictionary, there is a pretty big difference on the matter.


You claim we have huge egos, yet you constantly claim Arcen to be superior to us even when it has yet to do anything worth while.



I have never ONCE claimed Arcen is a bad group, I just defend TGI from the biased and nonfactual hate that you try so desperately to throw at us.
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ISOLAYTOR is not online. ISOLAYTOR
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21 Sep 2012 10:35 PM
It is a fact.

don't come at me with that "OH UR FLAME ARGUMENTS" when you started this one.

It is a FACT SF tourneys will not enhance skills. You'd have to enforce it some way.

You claim TGI is "blessed". Your "ego" is bigger than ours.

☼ Arcen King. ☼
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groovyclone is not online. groovyclone
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21 Sep 2012 10:36 PM
I think Bub hates me :(.
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bubbley27 is not online. bubbley27
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21 Sep 2012 10:37 PM
"SF Tournies do nothing"


We have TEAM SF tournies with TK'ing and same team colors on, so it teaches Trainees to mind their swords and watch for their team mates. Some bases have TKing on, so it is important to instill anti-TKing tactics into our troops.



"Obbies do nothing"


We do not merely run obbies, we run obby scenarios such as timed wall stacking and running obbies whilst under gunfire. Many forts have obbies, and they will more than likely be camped. Trainees mush learn to be able to complete them quickly and keep moving, so as to avoid being killed.



"You're Stupid"

I'd reconsider who is the moron in this argument, seeing as I have just provided logic, rather than just calling you an idiot.
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ISOLAYTOR is not online. ISOLAYTOR
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21 Sep 2012 10:39 PM
You just think they do something because it's so common

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bubbley27 is not online. bubbley27
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21 Sep 2012 10:40 PM
"You claim TGI is "blessed". Your "ego" is bigger than ours."


What? When have I EVER said we were "blessed"?



TGI is just a steampunk-based group that instills discipline and unique tactics in it's combat styles. It is designed for members that enjoy a friendly community, but discipline and maturity at the same time.


I do not have an enormous ego, I have confidence in myself and a group I have invested my time into.



Re-think your "argument" ISO. I do not start these threads to flame, I start them to try and have an actual discussion with you and figure out what feeds your hate towards a group that has done nothing too you.
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Noztraz is not online. Noztraz
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21 Sep 2012 10:40 PM
Reported for PA and off topic. Use the PM system.
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ISOLAYTOR is not online. ISOLAYTOR
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21 Sep 2012 10:40 PM
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=78323950

All I have to say lol.

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Imperiatus is not online. Imperiatus
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21 Sep 2012 10:41 PM
>I have just provided logic
>We do not merely run obbies, we run obby scenarios

???
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bubbley27 is not online. bubbley27
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21 Sep 2012 10:42 PM
I don't think, I know.


Why do I know?


Because they show improvement, and I get RESULTS from the trainings.

I've had situations in which a team will lose multiple times in a row during a GF scenario, but a few tips and friendly guidance later, they show massive teamwork and tactical improvement and usually either perform better or even win against the odds.




Do not judge a system you know nothing about.
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bubbley27 is not online. bubbley27
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21 Sep 2012 10:44 PM
That was more than likely meant as a joke, and not to be taken literally.


Brick doesn't honestly think we are "blessed", do not believe something as silly as that.




As for all the flamers, It's not a coincidence you are all in Arcen and trying to back ISO.



Read my comments, I have used logic and explained what obby scenarios are Imp.




Oh yes and @groovy

I do not hate any Arcadians, nor do I have any negative feelings towards you. What makes you say that?
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ISOLAYTOR is not online. ISOLAYTOR
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21 Sep 2012 10:46 PM
And TGI posted against me in every thread.

People who weren't even in Arcen and did not even like me supported me.

☼ Arcen King. ☼
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Imperiatus is not online. Imperiatus
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21 Sep 2012 10:47 PM
>It's not a coincidence you are all in Arcen and trying to back ISO.

TGI members defend TGI members, i hardly see how this is sound argumentative evidence.

>I have used logic

no, you explained lackluster training methods that are irrelevant to actually raiding. you claim that trainees have to do obbies while under fire or something but is it with an instant kill sniper on more than just lava jumps?
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Busterrod is not online. Busterrod
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21 Sep 2012 10:48 PM
iso y u so mean?
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ISOLAYTOR is not online. ISOLAYTOR
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21 Sep 2012 10:49 PM
Because this guy is so stupid.

☼ Arcen King. ☼
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SantaCruz81 is not online. SantaCruz81
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21 Sep 2012 10:50 PM
iso you don't get it do you



bubbley is being nice enough as a tgi member to supply even facts about each clan



why tgi sux


why tgi is amazing


why arcen sux


why arcen is amazing


yet you keep the fight going



man, you are thick in the head
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bubbley27 is not online. bubbley27
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21 Sep 2012 10:50 PM
And the same has happened with non-TGI supporting us.


I do not dislike Arcen whatsoever, nor do I have anything against it.


I just do not understand why you try to spread so much hate and negativity towards TGI, what have we ever done too you?


If you ever had an actual argument with some facts or valid points, maybe we could have a mature discussion about it.


But you just flame us and try to support yourself with biased opinions.



Everyone is en-titled to their opinion, and if you dislike TGI, you have every right too.

Just keep it to yourself if you don't have anything logical or factual to say.
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SantaCruz81 is not online. SantaCruz81
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21 Sep 2012 10:50 PM
its been back and forth


tgi attack arcen verbally


arcen attack tgi verbally


currently it is arcen's turn
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ISOLAYTOR is not online. ISOLAYTOR
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21 Sep 2012 10:51 PM
Santa, that's MY THREAD he copied and pasted.

I was the one who wrote that.

Because TGI is not a good group and it does not deserve to be liked. I'm stating facts.

☼ Arcen King. ☼
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Imperiatus is not online. Imperiatus
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21 Sep 2012 10:52 PM
>Just keep it to yourself if you don't have anything logical or factual to say.
>Everyone is en-titled to their opinion, and if you dislike TGI, you have every right too.
>everyone has freedom of speech unless it offends me
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