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Re: Calls for a general strike in the UK!

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Ryplayer is not online. Ryplayer
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12 Sep 2012 02:06 PM
Oh boy oh boy! Time to show this government just how much they are despised.
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LeTired is not online. LeTired
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12 Sep 2012 02:15 PM
Refuse to work, then wonder why you're in a recession.
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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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12 Sep 2012 02:15 PM
I has it when people go on strike. They are extremely selfish in many cases. For example, here in Ontario the teachers want to strike because they are reducing their sick days from 4 a month to 3 a month. Teachers are saving up their sick days to take long vacations.

~ALADEEN MODAR CHODAR!
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Ryplayer is not online. Ryplayer
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12 Sep 2012 02:20 PM
Pensions are practically being destroyed and people are being forced to work into old age to make ends meet. People are living on the breadline. A general strike is a last resort, there hasn't been one since 1926.

While people are nearly homeless the bankers reward themselves with bonuses for causing untold damage to the economy. MPs claim expenses to purchase ponds and moats out of taxpayer money when they can already afford these items with their over-inflated salary.




There's a difference between a general strike and a run-of-the-mill strike.
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XC6 is not online. XC6
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12 Sep 2012 02:21 PM
"While people are nearly homeless"

Vast over-exaggeration.
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thepit44 is not online. thepit44
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12 Sep 2012 02:24 PM
A general strike is a last resort, there hasn't been one since 1926.
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Yes this will fix the economy totally.

~ALADEEN MODAR CHODAR!
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Ryplayer is not online. Ryplayer
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12 Sep 2012 02:24 PM
"Refuse to work, then wonder why you're in a recession."



The recession was caused by various financial institutions awarding massive amounts of sub-prime mortgages to people, massive debt caused by low interest rates and may have also been caused by overproduction.
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Ryplayer is not online. Ryplayer
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12 Sep 2012 02:27 PM
"Vast over-exaggeration"



Can you prove this?
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Ryplayer is not online. Ryplayer
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12 Sep 2012 02:28 PM
"The number of people officially classed as homeless in England has jumped by 14% – the biggest increase for nine years – as what charities have described as a "perfect storm" of rising repossession rates and unemployment drives thousands more families into temporary accommodation." - The Guardian, March 2012
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12 Sep 2012 02:30 PM
Well done, worth reading unlike 95% of posts made by WWC now a days...
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XC6 is not online. XC6
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12 Sep 2012 02:30 PM
"Can you prove this?"

Can you prove your original statement?
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Ryplayer is not online. Ryplayer
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12 Sep 2012 02:32 PM
The latest year for which household income data is available is 2008/09. In that year, the 60% threshold was worth: £119 per week for single adult with no dependent children; £206 per week for a couple with no dependent children; £202 per week for a single adult with two dependent children under 14; and £288 per week for a couple with two dependent children under 14. These sums of money are measured after income tax, council tax and housing costs have been deducted, where housing costs include rents, mortgage interest (but not the repayment of principal), buildings insurance and water charges. They therefore represent what the household has available to spend on everything else it needs, from food and heating to travel and entertainment.

In 2008/09, 13½ million people in the UK were living in households below the 60% low-income threshold after deducting housing costs. This is around a fifth (22%) of the population.


poverty dot org dot uk
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XC6 is not online. XC6
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12 Sep 2012 02:34 PM
"In 2008/09, 13½ million people in the UK were living in households below the 60% low-income threshold after deducting housing costs. This is around a fifth (22%) of the population."

Yes, but you haven't compared it to anything.
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Ryplayer is not online. Ryplayer
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12 Sep 2012 02:35 PM
"Yes, but you haven't compared it to anything."


Tell me what to compare it to and i'll do it for you.




DO you have any sources for your statement that it was a massive exaggeration?
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XC6 is not online. XC6
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12 Sep 2012 02:38 PM
Compare it to later sources, which would show an increase/decrease which would then validate your post.

"DO you have any sources for your statement that it was a massive exaggeration?"

Do you have any proof you're NOT a child predator, oooor a mass murderer? oooor a madman with a psychotic argument?
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12 Sep 2012 02:40 PM
The recession was caused by various financial institutions awarding massive amounts of sub-prime mortgages to people, massive debt caused by low interest rates and may have also been caused by overproduction.
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And ceasing all economic output is supposed to fix it?
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Ryplayer is not online. Ryplayer
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12 Sep 2012 02:42 PM
If you refuse to provide proof then I no longer wish to discuss this with you. I'm providing you with these sources yet you are not doing so in return.

If you want much more information go to the website I gave.
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XC6 is not online. XC6
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12 Sep 2012 02:42 PM
"If you refuse to provide proof then I no longer wish to discuss this with you."

If YOU'RE refusing to provide proof then why did you make this thread in the first place?
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Ryplayer is not online. Ryplayer
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12 Sep 2012 02:45 PM
And ceasing all economic output is supposed to fix it?




The idea is to completely shock the government into action to encourage economic growth. If you sit back and let the government take advantage of you ultimately it will not be resolved. The current Tory government are a shower of incompetent and lazy aristocrats with no contempt for the average worker.


Keep in mind this strike would cover pretty much every working occupation in the UK.
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12 Sep 2012 02:47 PM
"If YOU'RE refusing to provide proof then why did you make this thread in the first place?"



I've provided tons of proof for you and you're asking for more, i'm telling you to go to the website because i'm not giving sources for you when you can't even participate in the argument properly and refuse to give them yourself, then you go completely off on a strawman by asking me to give proof that i'm not a child exploiter.
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12 Sep 2012 02:48 PM
"then you go completely off on a strawman by asking me to give proof that i'm not a child exploiter."

Actually, I was using the same logic that you applies to me when you said 'prove that it's not', because that doesn't work. You can't send somebody to court just because they can't prove AGAINST something illegal, nor can you win an argument if someone cannot prove AGAINST something the other person has proposed.
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Ryplayer is not online. Ryplayer
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12 Sep 2012 02:51 PM
But i've already gave you my sources, i'm waiting for yours. Meanwhile you're trying to avoid it by strawmanning. This is a forum on a website, not a courtroom.



If you don't want to contribute to the thread then stop posting on it.
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XC6 is not online. XC6
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12 Sep 2012 02:52 PM
"strawmanning."

You completely ignored my last post, then. Okay.

"not a courtroom."

Irrelevant, and I've said why, too. Read my last post.

"If you don't want to contribute to the thread then stop posting on it."

I looked on your website for any recent data comparisons, and the FIRST thing that came up?

"Due to the retirement of its webmaster, this website is no longer being updated. The last updates were in late 2011. Apologies for any inconvenience."

Mm-hmm.
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Ryplayer is not online. Ryplayer
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12 Sep 2012 02:56 PM
The examples given are still very much relevant today. You should start worrying when statistics are at least 6 years out of date.





Thanks for completely taking over my thread. I wanted an interesting debate and yet again this is another thread on WWC ruined.
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XC6 is not online. XC6
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12 Sep 2012 02:58 PM
"Thanks for completely taking over my thread. I wanted an interesting debate and yet again this is another thread on WWC ruined."

Yes, because the fact I posted actually had a factor in other people posting. A rather crude assumption.

WWC is usually dead, anyway.

"The examples given are still very much relevant today."

Example*

And I was looking for a comparison between the data you gave and then different data, which I did search for but ultimately couldn't find.
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