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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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06 Sep 2012 08:16 PM
This forum isn't a voting forum. The point here isn't to suggest ideas, find how many people support them and implement them if enough people do. That's not how it works.

Just saying you support an idea is just like spamming. It doesn't contribute anything to the thread. Instead, suggest things to improve the idea.

In the end, it is up to the admins whether something will be implemented or not, and, although feedback from the community CAN have an impact, it is certainly not whether some forumers have supported this or that idea which will change anything about whether it will be implemented or not.

Instead of spamming threads with posts saying you support or don't support ideas, actually help improving these ideas.
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ZebraPlox is not online. ZebraPlox
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06 Sep 2012 08:17 PM
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jacob726 is not online. jacob726
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06 Sep 2012 08:22 PM
"Supporting" is a way of showing that you like a thread; but do not have anything to add to it.
There is nothing wrong with it, and it certainly is not spamming.
It basically says "This idea is cool; I like it!", even when someone has nothing else to add. It also serves as a break to prevent people from clogging up the forums with reposts every 4-5 bumps due to people not being able to support it.

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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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06 Sep 2012 08:28 PM
@jacob726

If you have nothing to add to the thread, you should just not post. You don't have to post on every single thread you see. It _IS_ spam, as it doesn't contribute to the discussion in any way.
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schwartz2001 is not online. schwartz2001
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06 Sep 2012 08:32 PM
Supporting an idea is totally necessary. If a moderator looks at your post they might think that it is only you who wants that. If they see people saying that they support it, they would know that other people want it too.
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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06 Sep 2012 08:35 PM
@schwartz2001

It isn't necessary, and it is even useless. It doesn't matter if 5 users out of millions of users want a feature or don't want it. What matters is if the feature would improve ROBLOX, and the admins don't need help to judge that.
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jacob726 is not online. jacob726
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06 Sep 2012 08:52 PM
Julien; in he long run, the moderators have allowed it without saying anything about it. If it WAS spam, they would be banning people for only saying "Support.".
Yet they do not. Because it is NOT spam.

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wagnerja is not online. wagnerja
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06 Sep 2012 08:53 PM
Mhmm, because that will of course allow ROBLOX to see the approval of the ideas.

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ColorfulBody is not online. ColorfulBody
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06 Sep 2012 08:55 PM
@wagnerja

No, it will allow them to see the approval of the ideas for 0.001% of the community.

Even 25 forumers's opinions don't matter much on a game with millions of users. And even then, it wouldn't matter much, because, in the end, what matters is whether it would improve ROBLOX, and the admins are perfectly able to judge of that.
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ZebraPlox is not online. ZebraPlox
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06 Sep 2012 09:03 PM
I like it how OP didn't respond to my "support".
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jacob726 is not online. jacob726
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06 Sep 2012 09:03 PM
Lol.

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ZebraPlox is not online. ZebraPlox
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06 Sep 2012 09:06 PM
As for this thread...

No. If supporting was ever considered as spam, there would have been some sort of notification or what not about supporting counting as spam.

If supporting DID count as spam, most of us would have gotten warnings long ago.
Supporting DOES give some sort of feedback to any suggestions.
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jacob726 is not online. jacob726
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06 Sep 2012 09:09 PM
^
Which is basically what I said a moment ago. =P

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ZebraPlox is not online. ZebraPlox
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06 Sep 2012 09:11 PM
Woops. Silly me, just skimmed through this post.


But the overall point, is that 'supporting' has never been a problem, nor will it ever be one.
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thomje112 is not online. thomje112
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06 Sep 2012 09:12 PM
No, supporting is a way for robloxians to give feedback on other ideas for ROBLOx
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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06 Sep 2012 11:45 PM
I didn't say it was considered as spam, but it still IS a form of spam, since it doesn't contribute in any way.

Saying you support something is completely useless. It's not like saying you support something will help anything advance; it just spams threads with useless posts.

It truly doesn't matter whether 20 random users have supported it or not. ROBLOX has millions of users. It just doesn't matter.

If you have nothing to contribute to the idea, then just don't say anything. Posting just to say you support isn't going to help anyone.
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blkendglxy is not online. blkendglxy
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06 Sep 2012 11:56 PM
Nope.Avi
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tahu157 is not online. tahu157
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07 Sep 2012 12:07 AM
I see where you are coming from, in of itself, supporting a proposed feature does nothing the persuade the minds of the powers that be one way or the other when deciding the feature's fate. But on the other hand users expressing their support for a novel idea will help bring it to the attention of the people who could quite possibly make the idea a reality, whereas a pivotal update could be lost in some forgotten thread because that thread was not a popular post and was ignored due to lack of replies.


Aside from the "what if's" of the matter, in my opinion at the very least, you as a moderator should not care if some one is posting something that, aside from being useless in your opinion, is completely harmless.



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Merely is not online. Merely
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07 Sep 2012 12:21 AM
The problem is that the majority of the users here just support features they want, at the expense of thinking critically about whether it is viable and necessary. The changes that really need to happen, the really important suggestions get ignored since most users don't have the wisdom to support them. Right now this forum is basically a dumping area for ideas, it creates some good ones every once in a while but the vast majority are not practical enough.

I can see why you want a more stack-overflowish or uservoiceish area for suggestions, but it doesn't seem likely to happen =/
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gordonrox24 is not online. gordonrox24
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09 Sep 2012 12:50 PM
Certainly we want each post to contribute to the thread and add something to an idea, although there isn't anything wrong with users letting the poster know they support the idea.

Ideally, a reply to a thread here would be something along the lines of " I really like this idea, however maybe we could try this to make it better." Or "I dislike this idea, because of this reason." However, simply posting that you support this idea is still helpful. Firstly, it lets the original poster know that their idea is appreciated, and secondly, it allows us to see what ideas users like. When we come to the S&I forum and read through ideas, when a thread is full of "Support" posts, we can almost be certain that the idea is something that many users would like to see come to the site.
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JulienDethurens is not online. JulienDethurens
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09 Sep 2012 12:56 PM
@gordonrox24

Most of the time, there are only about 5 (or, at most, around 25) support or no support posts. That's absolutely useless to determine if users like the idea or not, as ROBLOX has millions of users. While it does tell the owner that the idea is appreciated, I think it would be better if there was a kind of voting system or something to replace this, not because we need a voting system, but just so people stop showing their support in the thread.

Usually, I read suggestions and, since I have the habit of reading the entire thread, I am annoyed by all the support or no support posts. These posts don't help anyone, they just satisfy their own author for writing them. While the thread's author might appreciate if people like his idea, this does not mean that flooding the thread with useless posts is a good idea to indicate that you appreciate his idea.

Therefore, a voting system, not related to the idea or even to its likely implementation, but only there for the satisfaction of users, would be a good idea.

Then, of course, the best (and probably easiest too) would be to just have a separate suggestions site (I'll never understand why the admins got rid of uservoice... it was actually better than this forum).
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DriftRacer14 is not online. DriftRacer14
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09 Sep 2012 12:57 PM
C? Even a Mod doesn't like this. So everyone stop posting here and let this thread die.

~I eateded teh reply button :P~
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09 Sep 2012 12:58 PM
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Aleezybaby0 is not online. Aleezybaby0
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09 Sep 2012 12:59 PM
/Because there is really something wrong with supporting ideas\

you act as if you have never done it.
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