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donkeyo4bro is not online. donkeyo4bro
Joined: 26 Jun 2010
Total Posts: 88
07 Sep 2012 05:02 PM
They only give them the advantage because they make it to were you cannot just head out into the battlefield dodging bullets or doing something that would kill one of them before you, now only a few shots will kill you, and you cannot really dodge them, this just makes it unfair for the raiders because all we have is a big rock stuck, were btw your penders spawn also so they shoot us down as well even if we're trying to have cover.


In the end you need cover or you won't win, and there's no way to advance with 1 or 2 people because they're either vaks spawning on the left side of the map where there's cover, or vacs spawning on the right, So when we get there or even to the middle part of the grass we're killed.

Another thing about all of this is, even if we get to the required cover spots that you need to control the base, you'll just end of losing it again right then because they spawn right next to them.

Vaktovians also get grenades now, this just adds more on us raiders, the only way to ever win a server here would to have the dominant population in fighters, meaning 15 raiders 5 Vaktovians, 20 Raiders 10 Vaktovians, etc.

ALSO the raids aren't even official unless there are 5 vaktovians there which is rarely because none of them like to defend anymore, most vaktovians leave when the raiders come and let the VACs deal with it.

And another point is, you shouldn't allow the VACs/Penders to defend YOUR base if it's not official when there's 15 of them and around 5 of us, but we still hold the base. Here's a little scenario for you.

"Raider 1: We won we took the base we have it!"
"Raider 2: Yes! Victory for [Name here]!"
"VAC 1: Indeed they won.."
"VAC 2: NO THEY DIDN'T IT'S NOT FAIR!!"
"-Vaktovian pops up-"
"Vaktovian: Raid isn't official, there's not 5 vaktovians which is required."
"Raider 2: WHAT!?! WE JUST WENT THROUGH 2 HOURS TO GET THIS BASE!"
"Vaktovian: Good day."
"-Vaktovian leaves-"
"Raider 3(The noob): OGM HOW...DA WINN!11!1"
"-Raider 3 leaves-"
"Raider 1: Wow just wow..."
"Raider 2: Counting it still.."
"-Server shutdown-"
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Materialization is not online. Materialization
Joined: 22 Jun 2012
Total Posts: 10109
07 Sep 2012 05:03 PM
well...

yolo
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StuntMike is not online. StuntMike
Joined: 16 Jul 2008
Total Posts: 6026
07 Sep 2012 05:06 PM
tlder version please
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Artlens5 is not online. Artlens5
Joined: 07 Aug 2010
Total Posts: 6484
07 Sep 2012 05:06 PM
While I do agree that we should allow the VACs be part of the 5 required, how is our tech horrible? I find it quite nice. The raiders spawn with a very powerful weapon that has a fast firerate, high damage, and a pretty nice reload rate. Our weapon has a slower firerate with about the same damage, and the shotgun is there to balance it out. A strategy I use to avoid the shotgun is to just try and force a long range fight.
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StuntMike is not online. StuntMike
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07 Sep 2012 05:06 PM
tldr*
ban/floodcheck
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HeatSucks111 is not online. HeatSucks111
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07 Sep 2012 05:06 PM
Haha.
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poeybear456 is not online. poeybear456
Joined: 10 Aug 2011
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07 Sep 2012 05:08 PM
Good fighters can adjust.
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donkeyo4bro is not online. donkeyo4bro
Joined: 26 Jun 2010
Total Posts: 88
07 Sep 2012 05:13 PM
No one adjusts, I have seen anyone posting raid wins on VAK lately, RAT has them on the enemies list all the time yet NO RAT raid, this is the same for a lot of clans, it's usually just some small clans or solo raiders. And the guns aren't horrible but for the map you're using them for (any map in general would work this way) makes them horrible


Yes there nice, but there to nice they make it impossible to raid for all unless again, you power in numbers.

I'm currently going to be on the verge of eagerness when the 100 people servers come out, raiding will finally be fun and more of BF3 then MW3.
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donkeyo4bro is not online. donkeyo4bro
Joined: 26 Jun 2010
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07 Sep 2012 05:13 PM
haven't seen anyone*
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Blaster563 is not online. Blaster563
Joined: 20 Aug 2007
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07 Sep 2012 05:13 PM
Raiders of a VAK base get horrible guns.
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Fluxoid is not online. Fluxoid
Joined: 21 Mar 2012
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07 Sep 2012 05:14 PM
where is the tl;dr version

~Add 1986 to my post-[~]-Flux-[~]-
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xerland2 is not online. xerland2
Joined: 28 Aug 2009
Total Posts: 4720
07 Sep 2012 05:17 PM
It's pretty easy to get into SMO with some practice or an egg. Also, of course you can't get in with 1-2 people, which is also a pointless raid, you need more to get past defenses.
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ROBLOXVETERAN1 is not online. ROBLOXVETERAN1
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
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07 Sep 2012 05:17 PM
Actually, donkey put VAK on our enemies list to state that they are still hostile and are to be shot-on-sight in all RAT places. We aren't at war though.

\m/
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Artlens5 is not online. Artlens5
Joined: 07 Aug 2010
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07 Sep 2012 05:17 PM
"horrible guns"

Did you not just read what I wrote?

And I do agree our map is pretty hard to raid now. There is going to be a new map coming out I believe. And RAT is only hostile with us, not at war. They see us as an enemy but it's not an openly declaration of war.
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donkeyo4bro is not online. donkeyo4bro
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07 Sep 2012 05:19 PM
RAT never held many raids on you anyways even in the war. It was more of allies and I don't know what else, but VAK should of just won that stupid war because again RAT NEVER raided like at all.
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Xalvaiytor is not online. Xalvaiytor
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
Total Posts: 7062
07 Sep 2012 05:19 PM
"RAT has them on the enemies list all the time yet NO RAT raid,"

Maybe because CT can't get over losing the VAK-RAT war?

But, aside from that, raiders don't get the best guns, but if they do happen to overpower/sneak inside, some of them become very difficult raiders to kill. And there is an issue with VAC being included in the five Vaktovians needed, because sometimes they could be Level 1s or so entirely and cause unneccesary losses for us.



Let me put it in this perspective for you, would you rather we kept the ATAC at SMO?
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qwertyui2667 is not online. qwertyui2667
Joined: 17 Oct 2009
Total Posts: 219
07 Sep 2012 05:25 PM
They hide behind stronger weapons and GUIS.
Example - 5 VAKs are there and the raiders have flag, once they're about to win, VAK leaves so it becomes unoffical again. =/

[[JC COLONEL]]
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BenBonez is not online. BenBonez
Joined: 29 Aug 2008
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07 Sep 2012 05:27 PM
"LOL HUR DUR STRONG RAIDER GUN"

can't do much with a gun that is super inaccurate
I'd rather get your super accurate slow firing rifle instead

but you as a vaktovian are too ignorant to realize that
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Xalvaiytor is not online. Xalvaiytor
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07 Sep 2012 05:27 PM
"They hide behind stronger weapons and GUIS.
Example - 5 VAKs are there and the raiders have flag, once they're about to win, VAK leaves so it becomes unoffical again. =/"

It's been noted that Vaktovians and VACs usually have stronger or more diverse weapons than the raiders, however, we have proven to be able to adapt to not having the strongest weapons and still acquiring victory when raiding other clans; JC, for example.
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Doomstar14 is not online. Doomstar14
Joined: 01 Sep 2012
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07 Sep 2012 05:28 PM
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Artlens5 is not online. Artlens5
Joined: 07 Aug 2010
Total Posts: 6484
07 Sep 2012 05:29 PM
Actually Ben I have tested the weapons myself. The 82 has one of the fastest times to kill I the game, because the 82 and 53 have about the same accuracy.
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gokured1234567 is not online. gokured1234567
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
Total Posts: 7778
07 Sep 2012 05:30 PM
So true.


~X-101şť Łěğîöñ Ğøků
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alkia is not online. alkia
Joined: 15 Nov 2008
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07 Sep 2012 05:41 PM
"but there to nice"

are you serious?

Pina Colada! Ain't no passing craze
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