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Re: The Corruption Within Clans:

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TheSilentSamurai is not online. TheSilentSamurai
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03 Sep 2012 11:31 PM
I find it humorous how we can no longer have honorable wars anymore on ROBLOX. As I speak, I could offer someone a tiny bit of 300r$ and have them be loyal to me for the rest of their career until they get a higher bid from another Clan Leader. Yeah CT, I'm talking about you.

-Just take my time, and it'll all be mine.
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Bombardir is not online. Bombardir
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03 Sep 2012 11:32 PM
legit
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03 Sep 2012 11:33 PM
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TheSilentSamurai is not online. TheSilentSamurai
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03 Sep 2012 11:33 PM
Think about it; back then, even 200 robux was a lot - even to OBC'ers. Now, I can pull 100-200 robux out of my pocket daily cause they have this new updated halla-ba-luba. It's just stupid.

-Just take my time, and it'll all be mine.
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Smog879 is not online. Smog879
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03 Sep 2012 11:34 PM
legit

- Michael Bublé -
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TheSilentSamurai is not online. TheSilentSamurai
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03 Sep 2012 11:35 PM
Thanks guys. It's good to know they're still some honorable C&G'ers/Clan Members out there.

-Just take my time, and it'll all be mine.
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slasher3499 is not online. slasher3499
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03 Sep 2012 11:37 PM
This is... Surprisingly Accurate...
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TheSilentSamurai is not online. TheSilentSamurai
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03 Sep 2012 11:39 PM
Damn right it's accurate.
I know for a fact if I start a clan, I'm not getting it big and bad by hiring "mercenaries" to be elite members for me. I'd train the soldiers myself, like a true Leader.

-Just take my time, and it'll all be mine.
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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03 Sep 2012 11:43 PM
Clans arn't started by hiring these sorts of people.

The clan simply benefits from them.

I havn't been aware of many instances in which a member is in a clan just for the money. If they're in a clan, it's for the most part their own choice; no matter what the reason.

As far as your "RAT" example goes; I don't see the relevance. Your post most likely was created after looking at Arcaneclone's post. As I recall, ColourTheory in no way mentioned payment at all. He was merely happy to welcome in a Vaktovian, most likely still with past wounds opening up between Frostarians and Vaktovians alike.

That's my cut on it.
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Smog879 is not online. Smog879
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03 Sep 2012 11:44 PM
legit

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blackmagic22 is not online. blackmagic22
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03 Sep 2012 11:47 PM
legit.
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TheSilentSamurai is not online. TheSilentSamurai
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03 Sep 2012 11:48 PM
Now let me explain to you my cut.

I've heard and been proven by many numerous sources I will have remain anonymous. I know many secrets that go on in between RAT and other clans, which just REALLY pisses me the heck off, and gives clans now just a bad name. I've seen ColourTheory discuss on C&G before about contracts he gives out to some notorious fighters and welfare builders. I highly doubt there's not 1 person in RAT who HASN'T been offered with money.

Also, about your first statement; there really is no benefit. To prove my point, STHHXX' has this little scam to make money himself, but joining low-clan member groups and putting it as his primary so he can get them members. Here's the ony difference that happens - the group goes up by 50-100 members, then afterwards goes back near the original amount or 10 more than the original. Not much of a big deal, just a huge scam.

-Just take my time, and it'll all be mine.
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OptiTheory is not online. OptiTheory
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03 Sep 2012 11:50 PM
Face it RAT is the USA of Roblox
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TheSilentSamurai is not online. TheSilentSamurai
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03 Sep 2012 11:52 PM
Not to be personal Crak, but CT is just plain cheap. Sure, he gives donations to his RAT members, but what rankings are they? Admirals, Supervisors, and Sparrow Corp members. In VAK, Vaktus donates to any Vaktovian in need - which includes VAC, VEC, and the main VAK.

(Of course, he just doesn't give it to everyone, cause that's not how it works.)

I'd rather work with a man that isn't arrogant and obnoxious, than a man who cheats his way out of everything.

-Just take my time, and it'll all be mine.
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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03 Sep 2012 11:54 PM
In my opinion, that's not really relevant to corruption.

Most clans are corrupt in other ways, High ranks struggling for power and backstabbing each other for their own sense of dominance and assertiveness in a clan; that of which often resolves in idiotic internal conflicts in the clan that never turn out well.

As far as your post about RAT goes; the notorious fighters and welfare builders most likely weren't drawn in by money, but instead positions in the group such as Sparrow Corp.

When fighting is concerned, money is not offered. When TGI was RAT's ally, we were offered to join FoL, their final battle team. We were offered no money, yet we helped because we were allies, and that's what allies do.

The same could apply to members of RAT. They are members of RAT, therefore they are motivated by such to do work, not by money. Besides, if someone was smart/skilled enough to expertise in these fields, they wouldn't do it simply for "money", that's not how people like that work.

Regarding your STHXX thing, it may be a scam to some, but recall that it is always the owner of the group's choice. They are not obliged to pay the sum, nor are they even motivated to do such.

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To sum that part up; I agree that corruption in clans are evident, but I believe it has nothing to do with monitory greed. Instead, it has to do with the self-centered high ranks and organizations of the said group.


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calebbishop is not online. calebbishop
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03 Sep 2012 11:54 PM
There are clans who pay people to build for them.
Script for them.
Lead for them.

There are also dinosaur bones in museums that could be knocked over. We could be invaded by aliens.
This COULD happen, just as clans COULD pay people to do stuff for them, but doesn't mean that have. There are hundreds of clans, and most of them do stuff in house.
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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03 Sep 2012 11:56 PM
Comparing Vaktus and CT, both have their ups in downs.

Vaktus donates to all Vaktovians in need, true. But how would you really contact him as a VAC? The only ones with real connection to Vaktus are the Officers; whom are able to get donations from private messages such as Steam. Lower ranks rarely get donations because of the lack of communication they have.

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TheSilentSamurai is not online. TheSilentSamurai
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03 Sep 2012 11:57 PM
I disagree with some things you are pointing out, but otherwise you most likely have a strong argument.

But, think about it. Money is the root to all evil, and in the end no matter what you could say, the person will always achieve a sum of cash in the end. I understand where you're coming from, although, cause CT is a famous guy I must say, and some people are just dying to meet him. But when you become friends with CT, there's rarely a limit to what you could get.

-Just take my time, and it'll all be mine.
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chanomano is not online. chanomano
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04 Sep 2012 12:04 AM
This corruption is why Haven was made.

We are a group for people that are tired of how the current clan situation is.
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crazy11745 is not online. crazy11745
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04 Sep 2012 12:15 AM
Good forum. I feel the same.
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WierdCaveman is not online. WierdCaveman
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04 Sep 2012 12:22 AM
This forum explains why I C&G.
People can have a legit debate, without a flame war.
I feel happy now that I read this.

~badabing badaboom badabang
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WierdCaveman is not online. WierdCaveman
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04 Sep 2012 12:26 AM
Just to point this out,
CT has gained over 100-200k R$ from borealis.
Also has gained activity in RAT.
Also has gained members.
Was also on the front page.
Was the sole person recognized on the blog, even though he can't script.
He did say it was their mistake, but why wouldn't he ask them to fix it? (as far as I know he hasn't).
He gets all the credit (to people who don't C&G)
He gets more money.
Corruption?
Don't know, just wanted to point it out.

~badabing badaboom badabang
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MASTERMATT564 is not online. MASTERMATT564
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04 Sep 2012 12:26 AM
legit.



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wakbob is not online. wakbob
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04 Sep 2012 12:40 AM
First CT isn't corrupted.

Next me, DominiunHex, Hacker1leo, sloppycanada and darktrooper6000 is making a group soon based with no corruption.
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TheSilentSamurai is not online. TheSilentSamurai
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04 Sep 2012 12:41 AM
Glad to hear.

-Just take my time, and it'll all be mine.
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