Creatant
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| 02 Sep 2012 01:22 PM |
I saw this topic pop up outside the lines of relevancy on another thread and decided to make a thread meant specifically for the topic because of how interesting it is to me.
I believe that every human has the right to do anything they are capable of doing until other humans assume authority over them. *Speaking about the bounds of humans, of course, not natural causes.
This means that, for example, everyone has the right to kill. If your own physical being does not restrict you from doing so (paralysis, other disabilities...), you have the right to kill another human. You will have that right until authority exists above you that removes that right. This authority does not even have to be in the form of government. It can be in the form of social norms or even a contradiction of rights, such as "having the right to live". This would mean having the right to live until a form of authority, death caused by someone else, assumes power over you.
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sinii
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| 02 Sep 2012 01:24 PM |
| Javier we should go to the Moon together. There's no government there. >:) |
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SHAD0WCAT
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| 02 Sep 2012 01:27 PM |
| the only laws we truly follow are the laws of nature whatever thye are |
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Creatant
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| 02 Sep 2012 01:29 PM |
| Exactly. Anything we can do within the laws of nature is a given right that everyone has to the extent of their own person. The only force that can take that away is a form of authority. |
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sinii
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| 02 Sep 2012 01:30 PM |
| I would never kill another person, no matter how much anarchy there is. |
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| 02 Sep 2012 01:35 PM |
| I agree with Sinii. Killing someone is a little too extreme bro. |
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| 02 Sep 2012 01:36 PM |
I would never kill another person, either. This is just an observation I've made. Without authority, I would have the right to kill someone because no force is there to stop me besides the limits of my own being. One of those personal limits can be the decision not to kill.
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sinii
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| 02 Sep 2012 01:41 PM |
"I agree with Sinii. Killing someone is a little too extreme bro."
It's not extreme if you kill Javier or Tanaw. |
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SHAD0WCAT
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| 02 Sep 2012 01:47 PM |
| you say that now sinii but you never know ? |
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sinii
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| 02 Sep 2012 01:48 PM |
| No Frog. I love everybody. |
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pepper0
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| 02 Sep 2012 02:18 PM |
That still doesn't make killing people right, because taking someone's life would be taking there rights too.
What right do we have to take away someone else's rights? (besides the just war theory and out of desperation stuff)
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Creatant
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| 02 Sep 2012 02:40 PM |
"That still doesn't make killing people right, because taking someone's life would be taking there rights too.
What right do we have to take away someone else's rights? (besides the just war theory and out of desperation stuff)"
Did you read my entire post or did you just stop after reaching a certain point?
I mentioned that the contradiction of rights can act as authority over another. I also never said that kill people was "right". Where are you getting this from? Is it someone else's post? We all 'have the right' (not meaning it IS right -or wrong-) to kill someone. If authority is exercised over us which prevents the killing of people, that right has been removed. I also mentioned that authority can be in the form of social norms (such as your society being against killing), government (laws being created to take away rights), or contradiction of rights (the right to live is removed by the right to kill being exercised, yet they can both exist together as properties instead of synchronized actions, where killing acts as a form of authority above living).
What right do people have to take away others' rights? Once again, a contradiction of rights where someone assumes power over others and removes rights. If you live under a government that has created laws preventing you from doing certain things within your range of personal being, somewhere along the line, somebody assumed and gained authority over you, taking away certain rights. |
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| 02 Sep 2012 02:43 PM |
--I also never said that killing* people was "right". --
Also, to make a more clear point:
Simply because something is a right, doesn't mean it IS right, thanks to the lack of a universal sense of right and wrong. |
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| 02 Sep 2012 03:22 PM |
Well, some people do have different views on what's right and wrong.
For example, some people find it is right to book a king-sized bed whilst others might not.
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| 02 Sep 2012 04:45 PM |
I think some people deserve to die.
You always put justice over mercy. |
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| 02 Sep 2012 04:47 PM |
| As far as natural rights go, I don't believe we have anything natural except what we're born with. Blood is natural and we don't need a government to protect that, but "the right to free enterprise" or whatever isn't a birth right when a government needs to protect it. Other things that I don't think are "natural" rights, but civil and social rights. I'm not saying I don't think people have the right to certain rights because it's not natural, I'm only pointing out a "right" isn't natural. |
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Creatant
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| 02 Sep 2012 06:15 PM |
| That all depends on what you see a "right" as. I see it as anything we are not restricted from doing. |
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| 02 Sep 2012 07:22 PM |
The fundamental rights of the American Republic. The right to the persuit of happiness and all that jive. |
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jbg23
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| 02 Sep 2012 07:28 PM |
As a general rule, my rights end where yours begin.
My right to extend my arm ends at your nose. |
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| 02 Sep 2012 09:55 PM |
| This is so borderline Ayn Rand. |
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pepper0
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| 02 Sep 2012 10:00 PM |
All in all, our rights do not come from any human made organization like government, but they come from above, they are self-evident to all humans that walk upon this earth.
For it is the job of the government to defend those rights from what I cal 'Bullies'. When you government then becomes the bully, then your government is doing a bad job which results in the Atlantic Revolutions, 1989 Revolutions, Arab Spring, etc. |
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pepper0
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| 02 Sep 2012 10:06 PM |
| This is also why we know how to plan our lives better than a group of bureaucrats in a distant capital. |
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| 02 Sep 2012 10:10 PM |
Not if those Bureaucrats are elected, as then THEY ARE THE EMBODIMENT OF THE PEOPLES WISHES!
Provided all campaigns are publicly funded. So no "Corporation people" or whatever BS vulture Capitalist pull out of their rear can buy elections.
BTW pepper take the jung briggs personality test |
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