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Re: an insight on the ideal of communism

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Gasleaks is not online. Gasleaks
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27 Aug 2012 05:07 PM
the soviet union was a clan so this is on topic.

Communism aspires for everyone to be equal, that much is true. It's a nice goal.
However, the way Lenin went about it was, in my opinion, wrong.

Imagine this.

You are a farmer, working in a field for 9 hours a day, excluding weekends, along with 60% of the population of Russia.

Now, you see another farmer that works for 5 hours a day, excluding weekends, who is with 30% of the population.

Later on, you notice a farmer working a mere 3 hours a day, who is lucky enough to be with the remaining 10% of the population.

When harvest time comes, the farmers that work 9 hours a day get the same pay and benefits as the fewer farmers who work 3 hours a day.

Now, tell me this: is this scenario fair, or to put it better, equal?
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This story is probably not exactly 100% true or accurate, but it sums up how Russia/most communists managed things, and this is exactly why I do not understand why so many try to justify it now.

feel free to offer your opinions.

-Gas
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8SunTzu8 is not online. 8SunTzu8
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27 Aug 2012 05:08 PM
Nein, k.

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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
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27 Aug 2012 05:09 PM
farmers fault for working 9 hours a day
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Gasleaks is not online. Gasleaks
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27 Aug 2012 05:09 PM
It's the only job they can get, as in communism, the government controls most of, if not all of the economy,
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Gasleaks is not online. Gasleaks
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27 Aug 2012 05:10 PM
*economy.
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chickenlord is not online. chickenlord
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27 Aug 2012 05:11 PM
Good god, I'm not arguing this, I've done this many times. Not wasting my time with an obvious answer.
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Smog879 is not online. Smog879
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27 Aug 2012 05:11 PM
Unfair

the noobs who work less get paid the same as the ppls who work 9 hours a day

- Michael Bublé - [Rest in Peace Neil qq]
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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
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27 Aug 2012 05:12 PM
the point is everyone gets what they need no more, no less it's supposed to be a system of fairness despite what job you get easier or not
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Gasleaks is not online. Gasleaks
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27 Aug 2012 05:12 PM
@chicken-

What is this "obvious answer" that proves my statement wrong?
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Gasleaks is not online. Gasleaks
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27 Aug 2012 05:13 PM
@Shat-

My view is that if you work three times as hard as the next person and still get the same benefit, it's not fair or equal.
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chickenlord is not online. chickenlord
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27 Aug 2012 05:14 PM
1, Labour would be the same, If the farm is a government collective, everyone does the same amount of work.

2, You don't deserve more money than your neighbor who you are as equal as. Money isn't supposed to exist in a communist society.

3, Communism is a utopia, like the bible says, you're there to help and make other's lives better, Not focus on self greed.


Obvious answer is obvious.
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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
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27 Aug 2012 05:15 PM
aye but a farmer gets to pick their work hours unless somehow their job is harder then the next farmer, then they're an incompetent farmer, unless there is a drought, flood etc.
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FastSteathyNinja is not online. FastSteathyNinja
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27 Aug 2012 05:16 PM
Its them exploiting the system.

No government is ever perfect.

I myself am actually the majority Russian. It's similar to people who exploit the welfare in America.
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Gasleaks is not online. Gasleaks
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27 Aug 2012 05:16 PM
1. Labor was not the same in the Soviet Union, as that can be proved.

2. If you work three times as hard as your equal neighbor, I believe you should be properly rewarded more than someone who has worked one third of your degree.

3. If you lose the will to work, what comes next?
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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
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27 Aug 2012 05:16 PM
if it was a desk job or such everyone gets the same work hours
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Gasleaks is not online. Gasleaks
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27 Aug 2012 05:17 PM
@Shat-

Your employer (plantation owner or officer) or the government assigns you hours to work.
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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
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27 Aug 2012 05:17 PM
@gas

the idealism of communism has never actually been seen sued by a country
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FastSteathyNinja is not online. FastSteathyNinja
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27 Aug 2012 05:18 PM
Lets face it, it's probably better than whats happening here(assuming the majority of you are in America).
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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
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27 Aug 2012 05:18 PM
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chickenlord is not online. chickenlord
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27 Aug 2012 05:19 PM
>"1. Labor was not the same in the Soviet Union, as that can be proved.

2. If you work three times as hard as your equal neighbor, I believe you should be properly rewarded more than someone who has worked one third of your degree.

3. If you lose the will to work, what comes next?"



Soviet union was a socialist state. Not a communist state. If you understood communism, you'd recognize that there haven't been any Communist societies.

Your job in society is to benefit others, they in return will benefit you.

You Are put in a retirement home, or forced to work.
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Gasleaks is not online. Gasleaks
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27 Aug 2012 05:20 PM
@Fast-

In America, where I do indeed live, everyone has an opportunity to obtain success by working hard.

In the Soviet Union, you worked hard because your officer or the government told you to.
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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
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27 Aug 2012 05:21 PM
@Gas

The Soviet Union was not a communist state.
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Gasleaks is not online. Gasleaks
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27 Aug 2012 05:23 PM
It's the closest thing to a communist state that I've seen yet.
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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
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27 Aug 2012 05:24 PM
@gas
but heres the kicker, it wasn't
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chickenlord is not online. chickenlord
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27 Aug 2012 05:25 PM
>It's the closest thing to a communist state that I've seen yet.

The soviet union?

LOL! You really need to read on communism then.
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