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Re: Socialism is not a political ideal or system.

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PyroKatiaManagan is not online. PyroKatiaManagan
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Okay, go ahead, contradict what socialism is. You'd find the majority of the world disagrees.

Especially as you haven't seemed to study into it very much. It's not simple at all.
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25 Aug 2012 12:07 AM
Socialism is an economic theory and all that.

Communism is an evolutionary stage.
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Communism is an evolutionary stage.
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Communism is retarded.

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Communism is retarded.
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How?

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It will never work.

Ever.

Ever.

You can't make everyone equal in pay.

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Origin of it? It was formed through heavy influence by capitalism. Simply involving shifting of control of businesses from individuals to the state. But that's the simplest, broadest, and inaccurate way to say what socialism is. Through the many centuries, it has evolved much much more than that.
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25 Aug 2012 12:26 AM
It will never work.

Ever.

Ever.

You can't make everyone equal in pay.
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You don't understand communism.

If you want to get technical, there is no pay in communism.

Communism is an evolutionary stage, k? The idea that we advance to the point where we have evolved into better people.

In SOCIALISM there is not equal pay. Nor in communism really.

Ever heard of "Each to his ability as to each to his need?"

That means everyone works to their best ability and gets what they need.

That's the fundamental of Socialism.

You'll say, ohhh but people are lazy naturally.

That's not true, everyone enjoys working, it might not neccesarily be a productive work, but everyone enjoys it.

Even if they don't especailly see productive work to be good, we communists would want to make good working conditions, so it's atleast barable.

Okay, even if everyone does earn the same, so what?

The only argument I see against equal pay is that the rich who were born into better standards and had more opportunities can't look down at the poor who were crippled by society in some way or other.

You can't say communism can't work, because it has never been tried.
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A communist paradise would simply require the right people. People who are simply the type to do what is best for the world. The ones who work not for self profit, but for group profit.
Always, the only flaws in communism are the people who aren't.
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25 Aug 2012 12:30 AM
Oh it's been tried.

It's just failed miserably.
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Yeah, I don't remember any classless stateless society where the means of production were collectively owned by the people?

What's that?

You don't either?

Oh, well that's communism.
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I would rather sit on a couch all day and get basic living than work my arse off and get basic living.

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A communist paradise would simply require the right people. People who are simply the type to do what is best for the world. The ones who work not for self profit, but for group profit.
Always, the only flaws in communism are the people who aren't.
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Why do people who make this argument insist on downgrading our race?

As a *collective* society, we have achieved so much, why do you say people aren't right?

with a little bit of central planning and just the right about of authoritarianism, we can achieve anything.
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I would rather sit on a couch all day and get basic living than work my arse off and get basic living.
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Alright, cool, have fun when the party comes knocking on your door.

If that's what it takes to advance our race, so be it.
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Yeah, I don't remember any classless stateless society where the means of production were collectively owned by the people?

What's that?

You don't either?

Oh, well that's communism.
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Experimentation never guarantee success.

If it did, then why experiment?
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I would rather sit on a couch all day and get basic living than work my arse off and get basic living.
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My point exactly, the reason communism does not succeed is because of people who aren't.
But either way, this idiotic "hurr hurr well then I just won't work and I'd get the same as everyone else" logic is horrible. The answer to this has always been the gulags, or you know execution, but I feel a simple, banishment from the country may as well be enough.
Doing something like this simply removes you from the community. You don't work, you get nothing. You work, you obtain what you need.
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25 Aug 2012 12:38 AM
Every communist I ever met wouldent spare a dime for me to get a 1 dollar soda when I had 90 cents.
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Maybe if it was a perfect communist society, but is isn't, so what reason is there for me to benefit a society in which the beliefs are directly contradictory to my own.
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