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Re: A very long post of reiteration on crafting.

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frozengaia is not online. frozengaia
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09 Aug 2012 09:32 AM
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Keep away from children. TL;DR located at the bottom.

So, crafting. The next major thing for roblox. This massive thread will grant criticism, suggestions and reiterations to this idea. And dispel any idiotic assumption. Well, it's more just "DO THIS DEVS DO THAT DEVS" now, but oh well. Consider this some inspiration.
So, devs, read this and see some flaws to improve, and suggestions to add.
Readers, give support and criticize this constructively whilst also suggesting some extra stuff, so I can better improve my rather unique insights.

So, let's start with the dispelling.
First thing most people think of when they see crafting:
"THIS IS COPYING MINECRAFT."
I will dispel this now.

Crafting has been seen in so many games. In fact, simply BUYING something can be considered crafting; turning money into an item.
So, if this copies minecraft, it will also copy quite a few more games.

Let's have 10 off the top of my head.
If crafting copies minecraft, it also copies:
Clash of the Dragons, a browser TCG, with the nexus to make items.
Lost odyssey, an amazing RPG on the Xbox that allows you to craft items into powerful rings.
Sequence, a steam/indie game that is a unique blend of RPG, action and stepmania. It allows you to craft weapons and armour.
Arcuz, a flash game that allows you to craft potions.
Doodle god, a flash game that focuses on combining two things to make something anew.
Doodle devil, the sequel to doodle god.
Warriors orochi, a beat them up from koei that fuses weapons together and creates special abilities by crafting.
Skyrim, with forges. EVERYONE knows what skyrim is. .-.
WoW, which has crafting stuff.
Boss battles V2, an epic forum game focusing on fusing weapons to create powerful moves. (http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=65046585 What? I did say this had advertisements to other threads.)

See? so, ALL THOSE GAMES copy minecraft, apparently. Especially doodle god and sequence, THAT CANNOT BE BEATEN WITHOUT CRAFTING. And also boss battles V2. So no. It does not copy minecraft.
And all those games are different.
Doodle god is a pure crafting game.
WoW is multiplayer.
Sequence is musical.
Warriors orochi is a beat 'em up.
Lost odyssey is a turn based RPG.
Boss battles V2 is a text-based RPG.
CoTD is a TGC.
So, crafting is a genre-crossing thing, that isn't tied down to one game, or one genre. And besides, Warriors orochi was made before minecraft. Probably, so was WoW, Lost odyssey, doodle-god, Arcuz AND final fantasy seven. So, it's not copying. It's too common to be considered original. In that logic, you could also say that Virtua tennis, top-spin or just tennis games in general copy pong. It doesn't, but that's the logic behind "These two have the same stuff, so the one who had said stuff after the other is copying the other.

But, I will say:
Telamon,
BE MORE DERAILING OF IDIOTIC CRITISISM IN YOUR SNEAK PEEKS! >:U
Please? It saves me and others so. Much. Time.
Anyway, rant over.
So, crafting in general.
I would like to say two things from the get-go.
1) DROP THE IDEA OF CRACKING THINGS TO GET ITEMS. There's too many hats and gear to program what they give when they crack.
2) As an alternative:
I'm going to fuse CoTD's nexus with its boosters.

So, instead, how about buying "packs" of items?
So, maybe there could be three kinds of pack: Basic, Advanced, and Rare.
Basic packs will give you mundane items, like string and paper.
Advanced packs will give you uncommon items, like gold and steel.
Rare packs will give you very rare items, like... Quantum circuitry and platinum.

Now, a basic pack can still give you gold, and a rare pack, can still give you string, it just changes the chance. So, every crafting item will have three rarities: basic, advanced, and rare.

So, let's have a look at a basic pack.
As a quick brainstorm, it will give five random crafting items for 200 tix. Just a quick brainstorm, nothing more. Your criticism will refine this.
Three of those items are guaranteed to be basic crafting items.
Two of those items have a 75% chance to be basic, but a 25% chance to be advanced.

An advanced pack could be 600 tix.
Three will definitely be advanced.
Two have a 75% chance of being advance, a 20% chance of being common, and a 5% chance of being rare.

A rare pack could be 1800 tix.
Three will definitely be rare.
Two have a 5% chance of being common, a 10% chance of being advanced, and an 85% chance of being rare.

So yes, a rare is obviously more worth it than an advanced, and an advanced is more worth it than a common.

Also, there could be three sizes of each pack: normal (5), Jumbo (10) and mega (15.)

A jumbo basic pack may grant for 300 tix:
six basic guaranteed,
one advanced guaranteed,
three with a 75% chance of being basic, 25% chance of being advanced.

A mega basic pack may grant for 400 tix:
10 basic guaranteed,
two advanced guaranteed,
three with a 65% chance of being basic, a 35% chance of being advanced.

A jumbo advanced pack may grant for 900 tix:
six advanced guaranteed,
a common guaranteed,
and three with a 50% chance of being advanced, 25% to be common or rare.

A mega advanced pack may grant for 1200 tix:
10 advanced,
five with a 60% chance of being common, 40% being rare.

A jumbo rare pack may grant for 2700 tix:
six rare,
two common,
two advanced.

A mega rare pack may grant for 3600 tix:
12 rare,
two advanced,
one with a 33% chance of being anything.

That wildcard at the end gave me another idea: Mystery packs.

for 1000 (basic), 1500(jumbo), and then 2000(mega).
Each one gives the respective number of items, each one being an equal chance of all three. (33%)

Now, each item individually, does not interact with each other: You can have five of the same item, five individual ones. It's unlikely, but possible.

Also, I would now like to integrate something; WITH ADVERTISING. YAY!
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=73535973
This idea is one you have probably seen. It's an idea on mine, that wrecks things up. It's called HOTS, which is an abbreviation for something I'm not going to explain, and now in its ninth version, is probably one of the most epic ideas you've ever seen/are going to see.
So, my point: with HOTS, you'd also be allowed to trade PACKS of items. Not items. And yes, that means that you don't crack them open when you buy them.

So, now getting the stuff is done, how about making it?
First off, just to disclaim the minecraft copy theory more, let's not make a three-by-three square. Because morons who don't have logic or a sense of thought will think you're copying minecraft even more, which you're not. Be amorphous: Add a line of six squares, then whatever is in there can make an item, regardless of order:
THE CATCH!
For three robux.
This is a very important part. This thing, stops:
Alt abuse in HOTS,
Scamming,
Overuse,
Etc.
Whilst also keeping a marginal theme of a BC only trait, something the devs have enjoyed, seemingly.
Like HOTS, I'm going to aim to make a crafting system that is available to all, but at the same time, appeaseable to the devs by making some of it seemingly premium (*Cough*, mega rare.)

I want to take it away. But I can't. This rough criticism and HOTS' revamping, cannot take such a thing away. It's so important, I really could rant an entire page on how. So trust me, I won't take it away, because of the importance. Don't suggest it.

So, let's make a basic item!
So, for this example item, you will need:
Wood,
3 string.

The wood goes in one box, and every piece of string goes in every other box.
This will make: a whip. Basic item. Doesn't deal too much damage, but has a good range to it.

So, that's a nice basic item.
Be noted, that with this system… I haven't made a name for this crafting system, yet, have I?
Item Pack Crafting System? IPCS… Nah. How about… Packed Item Crafting System? PICS. Yep. That'll do.

Be noted, that with PICS, not every trade turns into an item you can use in a game. For example, Coal, a basic item, and iron, a basic item, give steel, an advanced item. And string, a basic item, and steel, an advanced item, gives steel wire, an advanced item.

Also, most tools you can craft, have "three levels"; for example:
The flail, has an "upgrade": the barbed whip.
To make this flail, you need:
2 barbs,
3 steel wire,
1 steel.
---OR---
1 flail,
2 barbs.
1 steel wire.
The barbed whip deals more damage, AND has a chance to deal damage over time.
But you may notice, because you had the flail, it was massively cheaper. In fact, if you have that flail, you could actually get everything you need to make level two from a normal basic pack.
Barbs btw, are basic.

So, what about level three?
Either:
One platinum,
Three Mythril strips,
Two duplication clay.
---OR---
1 Barbed whip.
1 Mythril strip,
Two duplication clay.
---OR---
1 whip,
2 Mythril strips,
Two duplication clay.

Now, this adds some complexity and interesting value to my crafting system. Mythril strips are rare, platinum is rare, and duplication clay is rare. But, what's amazing is Mythril strips are impossible to get via boosters. Sorcery? No. Like I said, items can be turned into things that can be made into items.
Meet a said item: the crafting knife.
This neat knife is made by:
1 razor,
1 iron.
A razor is an advanced item. It's not a tool, but it's epic. It's what is called a "crafting" tool.
Crafting tools are tools used in crafting (not in game) that do special stuff.
Example:
Steel + Crafting knife = Steel wire. No string needed.
Crafting items have a durability: For example, the crafting knife can be used 50 times before you need a new one, or before you repair it… Reference.
Now, Crafting knife + diamond = Strong crafting knife, which can cut more stuff (diamonds are rare)
So, Strong crafting knife and Mythril (rare) = Mythril strips.

Now, duplication clay is even weirder. Because well, cutting things is sort of plausible, but duplication clay? It does exactly what it says on the tin.
Duplication clay + ANY item = two of that item.
Why two?
Because you lose one in the process of making it. So, if it was one, it would be redundant.

So, onto the rare whip.
This bad guy deals more damage, chance of DoT, AND has three whips, capable of dealing quite a good chunk of damage. AND has improved range. Worth it indeed.

So, that's a nice basic example on crafting. How I believe it should be done.
Supports? Cheers.
No supports without a valid reason? Thanks for the support.
Logical constructive criticism? Preferred more than a support.
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watevs44 is not online. watevs44
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09 Aug 2012 09:33 AM
You lied; there was no TL;DR at the bottom.

!Dream Crusher Strikes Again:3
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frozengaia is not online. frozengaia
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09 Aug 2012 09:35 AM
I know. :3
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coldbloodedkiller9 is not online. coldbloodedkiller9
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09 Aug 2012 10:08 AM
We apologize, this user's mind has imploded from the amount of logic in this post. Please, try again later.
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frozengaia is not online. frozengaia
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09 Aug 2012 10:18 AM
Well,
I like making people extremely exploded from logic overdoses. :D

Okay, TL;DR, it seems I MUST, .-.:
Don't crack hats to get items;
You buy items in packs instead;
You use items individually;
etc etc etc.
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Nigelrtehpwnzor is not online. Nigelrtehpwnzor
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09 Aug 2012 10:18 AM
I read it all. Support.

I used to rule the world.
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TNTxERIC is not online. TNTxERIC
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09 Aug 2012 10:55 AM
Why would you want to trade packs when you can buy them? What's the point of trading an advanced pack for advanced pack, I think it is more logical to trade the contents.
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nenen is not online. nenen
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09 Aug 2012 10:57 AM
I like this idea, pretty logical. I agree, that its not Really coping mine-craft JUST BECAUSE they get crafting. but it is possible. (Who knows except roblox and God) (do not disapprove or Approve my ideas Just because of my faith. that is a very wrong Reason.)

But here are some suggestions maybe even Criticism.
I WILL ACCEPT CRITICISM!!!
Ok, (forgive me if i suggest what you already did)
Read them in the Order i made them. or you could get confused.

1.Random Drops,
I think there should be Random Drops, In-Game and Out-of-Game. which you can get some of these Ingredients (Maybe even Crafting Tools). Simple 50-60% chance, Advanced 30-40% chance, Rare 10% chance. also on some days the percentages could be Completely mixed up.
(The Percentages could be different, just giving an idea of how its going to be like)
Holidays would have a better chance of Getting Holiday Themed Items and Tools.
IF YOU DO NOT WANT Random Drops in Your Game, You Can Go to Configure, and Disable Random Drops, (This is would probably prevent some lag that would come from it) but would Maybe make you place Less popular. because there would be an icon saying that you have No Random Drops.

2. Different Sizes of items.
Maybe there should be Different Sizes of these Crafting Items. (Maybe even tools, but i can't see why that would be useful yet.) Here is an example of sizes
Tiny
Small
Medium
Big
Very Big
Huge
...
(There may be Even Bigger!)
(Also you can [With the right tools] Fuse multiple smaller elements to make a bigger element. or to break a Big element to multiple smaller ones)
For example.(i have no idea how to make steel so i may be doing this all wrong)
The recipe for a Medium piece of steel.(You need a Furnace too [The better the quality the more is saved, and the less is needed, also the Poorer the quality the less is saved the more is needed]) Lets say you have an Average Furnace.
One Big sized Coal, Two small sized Iron Ores, Or one Medium Sized Ore. (If its any bigger it will leave SCRAP as explain in the below idea) and it creates A Medium size piece of steel.

3. Leftover Scrap, Or Burned items. (etc)
Sometimes Maybe there should be Leftover Scrap. for example
You want to make a tiny piece of paper (to make a warning sign on your dangerous gear), you take a Huge pile of Sawdust, or Pieces of Wood. you put it in water, then a compressor(another crafting tool). and get. A Small piece of paper, But Wait! did you not need a TINY piece? yup, so you take some scissors.(yet another) and Cut some paper away. now you have a tiny piece. but what happens to the rest? you get Scrap. which has its own uses.a Tiny Piece of Paper scrap....

4. Error you cannot make this item without..
Error you cannot make this item without a Better type of Tool.

5. You can buy Simple Tools, in the Crafting shop. (Maybe even the Occasional Advanced) (One of the Buttons on the Blue Line)

6. Are you SURE you want to craft these Items??? Click Yes Or No or Cancel.

7. Poor quality tools have a smaller life span then any Better Quality Tool.


No Flaming,Spamming,or Trolling
*NENEN*
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leetwizard is not online. leetwizard
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09 Aug 2012 11:06 AM
Yeah.
Awesome!
9001% support.
Would make a great (and money making for roblox) expansion.
Also, if there are noobs that still persist that we will get sued for the crafting-
It'd be copying like 50 different things.
What would they sue us for?
Exactly.
Every crafting thing copies eachother.
And crafting came from real life.
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speedydude123 is not online. speedydude123
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09 Aug 2012 11:10 AM
I got angry when I saw I hadn't even read half -_-
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Grahom is not online. Grahom
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09 Aug 2012 11:22 AM
Why did you have to type so much for something that could have been 1 small paragraph?
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BrockRocksYourSocks is not online. BrockRocksYourSocks
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09 Aug 2012 11:24 AM
Perfect! *Head asplodes*
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frozengaia is not online. frozengaia
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09 Aug 2012 11:27 AM
My thank you for supporting mr. nenen, mr. speedy, mr. leet.

@TNT:
Maybe not an advanced for an advanced,
But a jumbo advanced for a rare, for example.
Or a jumbo mystery for a mega advanced.
If it was items, the micromanagement would blow everyone's mind in irritation.
It's also because items don't have a price, but packs do.


@Nenen: Thank you for those suggestions. I will place as many of them in this thread as I can.
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frozengaia is not online. frozengaia
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09 Aug 2012 11:30 AM
Late post, much.

Grahom:
That COULD NOT have fit into one small paragraph.
The ammount of explanation I prefer to give, which is nearly every ounce I can spare, would not have allowed it.
Besides, I already gave a TL;DR.
Also, I prefer people saking questions, like so. Which only really happens if I make long posts. If I make short posts, people say "tell me more", "elaborate."

But my thank you for supporting mr. brock.
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jaceyjace is not online. jaceyjace
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09 Aug 2012 11:38 AM
I think we already have "crafted" items right there for you.
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frozengaia is not online. frozengaia
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09 Aug 2012 11:40 AM
My thank you for the support jace.

Bump.
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snakehunt is not online. snakehunt
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09 Aug 2012 12:09 PM
You forgot about TF2 crafting.

So anyway, this is all good.

But in my opinion of Crafting, I think it's unecessary
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frozengaia is not online. frozengaia
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09 Aug 2012 12:15 PM
It was a small list, snake. Never played TF2; didn't know they had that.

But my thank you for supporting.
Bump.
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snakehunt is not online. snakehunt
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09 Aug 2012 12:19 PM
But TF2 was a big one.


SHAME FROZEN, NOW I HAVE TO SMITE THEE WITH A OVERSIZED WEAPON.
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Legolas38 is not online. Legolas38
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09 Aug 2012 12:20 PM
I support, these are cool ideas.

Are hats craftable? Or just gear?
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slmnemo is not online. slmnemo
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09 Aug 2012 01:08 PM
SUS SU SU SUPPRT FROM INSTANT INSANTARY.
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frozengaia is not online. frozengaia
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10 Aug 2012 01:34 PM
@Golas:
Every cosmetic is craftable. Possibly including bodies.

But my thank you for supoprting mr. golas and mr. slmn.
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