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Re: The "friendly" APN-VAK war

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aperson1890 is not online. aperson1890
Joined: 17 Aug 2008
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03 Aug 2012 07:59 PM
This "war" is amazingly stupid. I wasn't in APN until 3 months ago, but I know that the first VAK-APN war was supposedly "fun". The dream of a new "friendly" war to "relieve stress" was nice but ultimately never happened. If anything, this has stressed APN out more. We're being disheartened by floods and failed raids.

What happens at APN bases:

If the VAKs are nice enough to notify us in advance, there are usually 7-10 APN in the base. It takes 30 minutes to get that, and in 5 minutes VAK can get 30+ of themselves in a server. It starts off nice, with VAK kindly letting us get into the base before they start, to be good "sports". Then, they raid, and the base is virtually theirs because some APN are scared of a freaking virtual flood. By the time VAK has the terminal, there are 5 APN left.

We desperately try to get back the flag/terminal/relay/idontcareanymorebecausevakswillalwaysbeatusnomatterwhatwedo, but of course, no matter how skilled we are, we can't use 5 APN who have played for a month to beat 25 skilled veterans, and the legion of VAK/VAC who fill their place. We lose, and then we rage. That's the best thing that can happen during an APN raid.

If someone exploits, a certain other group of raiders I've been ordered not to name claims victory. They insult us and claim they we exploited just because we're pathetic at a freaking online game. They call us cowards (again, on an online game) and don't listen to logic (even from their leader).

If a certain group raids and there are 3 APN, they ignore basic kindergarten math and raid. They ignore everyone (yes, again even their leader), and continue raiding. They need to be told not 1, 2, 3, or even 4 times, but 5 times, to stop the raid. They ask us to call "backup", but don't realize that it takes more than 0 seconds warning to get 4 people.

If APN somehow gets lucky, and manages to fend off the raiders (well, after, hundreds of hours camping, the recruits are actually decent at it), VAK just doesn't stop. It isn't uncommon for raids to go on for 4 hours. If VAK gets tired (HAHAHAHAHAHA), they pretend to leave, and they raid 30 minutes later. This doesn't go on for long; APN can't defend forever, and VAK knows that.

The base is always busy. If VAK isn't raiding, it's because they're waiting for the other raid to end so that they can flood the server with their own me- boys. If VAK wins, they raid again in 30 minutes. If they win again, they close up shop for the day, and lone VAK raid just to annoy us. This is everyday at an APN base now.

What happens at VAK bases:

In the really, really, rare time of the day, that APN isn't being raided by VAK, someone might decide to raid. Now, before the raid, we're confident. We'll use numbers against them. We'll show them what numbers really is. Well, it just doesn't work that way in a VAK base.

During a raid rally, the most we ever get is about 20. I've seen 100 member clans get the same turnout. Whatever, that doesn't matter, there are 20 here, and the server capacity is 20. This will be so easy, we won't have to do anything. We can follow a simple plan, and we'll win.

Like I said before, it's just not that simple. To prevent new players from causing trouble, both raidable VAK bases have a simple script that kicks players that have a low account age. Unfortunately, that kicks some of our APN out, including the alts.

Whatever, it still doesn't matter, there are still 18 raiders! How is that possible? It's a miracle! Well, VAK/VAC love joining the raiders team to spawnkill and teamkill us. Whatever, we can kill the "traitors" and move on. We have egg jumpers, the walls are nothing. The gate opens, and we're in. We capture the whatever, even when we can't talk to each other properly.

After we capture it, the nice and kind VAKs notify (if they can with that stupid bubble chat) us that we are empty raiding. We notify them that VAK/VAC/Allies/random idiots are on our side, but we can't, because of that stupid bubble chat. We can't go up to them and talk, because they're more focused on shooting us.

This infuriates many, many people. Their computer can't take the useless decor at SMO, or they're just mad that the only way in is an egg jump or a ridiculous obby. They quit. The raid is over after 10 minutes. We lose. They win. VAK makes fun of us.

tl; dr: This is not fun. VAK/VAC floods are not fun. Sitting on the computer for hours on end defending is not fun. Raging is not fun. If you want to have fun, make it fun. I'm sorry if I've only cared about APN and forgot to realize that you guys actually like flooding APN forts and not giving yourselves the slightest challenge.
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MRMCC is not online. MRMCC
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03 Aug 2012 08:00 PM
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ADSFxXCharXx is not online. ADSFxXCharXx
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03 Aug 2012 08:00 PM
k


• i win
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igoing2win is not online. igoing2win
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03 Aug 2012 08:01 PM
dude


your tl;dr is tl;dr

also


APN is a very consistent group
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Reaven is not online. Reaven
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03 Aug 2012 08:02 PM
APN is skilled enough where 9 APN and a high rank can stop just about anything, but usually what happens is a Vak will come and say "We're raiding in 1 minute. Have fun." Then APN shouts about it and shuffles awkwardly because the only two people who check the shout in real time are Sim4city and I because we use a specialized Java program to constantly feed us the shout.
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Domeboybeene is not online. Domeboybeene
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03 Aug 2012 08:43 PM
Hang on, we don't change teams to kill you at your spawn, no, they are penders, VACs who have not been accepted into the group yet, they are quite common and we allow them to wear VAC uniform, they are not teamswitching, they have no team to switch to.
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Reaven is not online. Reaven
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03 Aug 2012 08:45 PM
Maybe you need to accept penders faster? I screen and accept every request to APN as they come in.
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St0rmx is not online. St0rmx
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03 Aug 2012 08:50 PM
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aperson1890 is not online. aperson1890
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03 Aug 2012 08:50 PM
@MRMCC why does everyone ask that? :\

@Raven That's great, but unfortunately, we rarely get 10 APN, especially when a certain group floods us.
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sam041998 is not online. sam041998
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03 Aug 2012 08:51 PM
i read all of it, suprisingly
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jammy101101 is not online. jammy101101
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03 Aug 2012 08:52 PM
i did too, lots of good points brought up there.
repsect.
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sam041998 is not online. sam041998
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03 Aug 2012 08:52 PM
crap, forgot siggy


~Rabadash~
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03 Aug 2012 08:53 PM
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sam041998 is not online. sam041998
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03 Aug 2012 08:54 PM
cross-dressing ftw


~Rabadash~
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03 Aug 2012 08:56 PM
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Artlens5 is not online. Artlens5
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03 Aug 2012 09:01 PM
@Reaven, the thing is, they have to pove themselves to get into VAC, specifically getting a 30:10 KDR.

~Glory to Vaktovia!~
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Reaven is not online. Reaven
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03 Aug 2012 09:02 PM
Well could they at least prove themselves when we're not trying to raid D:!
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Artlens5 is not online. Artlens5
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03 Aug 2012 09:07 PM
sorry not our fault the penders are active

~Glory to Vaktovia!~
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Anthony023 is not online. Anthony023
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03 Aug 2012 09:08 PM
"This "war" is amazingly stupid. I wasn't in APN until 3 months ago, but I know that the first VAK-APN war was supposedly "fun". The dream of a new "friendly" war to "relieve stress" was nice but ultimately ".... to lazy to read everything, sorry. :D
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Reaven is not online. Reaven
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03 Aug 2012 09:08 PM
Well could you give a pending team? I at least have an "allies team" that penders can go on temporarily.
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DarkVakt is not online. DarkVakt
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03 Aug 2012 09:10 PM
lol
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aperson1890 is not online. aperson1890
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03 Aug 2012 09:12 PM
That's not the point, Artlens. It's the fact that some of us disagree with VAK and don't find this "friendly" war "fun".
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Artlens5 is not online. Artlens5
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03 Aug 2012 09:16 PM
@Reaven

if we do that raiders could just go on it and teamkill

@aperson

sorry but not really our fault we are active

Reaven is a good leader, just ask him to make apn more active, shouldnt be much of a challenge for big man reav


~Glory to Vaktovia!~
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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
Joined: 27 May 2010
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03 Aug 2012 09:16 PM
I on saw a server full of raiders, turns out there were only 2 the rest were penders. Come on man. Cut some slack.
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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
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03 Aug 2012 09:17 PM
once*
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