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SouthparkFTW is not online. SouthparkFTW
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03 Aug 2012 10:06 PM
Do we Americans need automatic assult rifles and machineguns to defend ourselfs. All you need is a pistol to defend your property and yourself not automatic weapons. Pistols, Shotguns, and low calibre semi-automatic rifles are perferctly acceptable.

And all republicans can say is, WE WANT OUR GUNZ1!1!1!


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devildog199 is not online. devildog199
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03 Aug 2012 10:13 PM
"And all republicans can say is, WE WANT OUR GUNZ1!1!1!"

That has to be the dumbest strawman that I have seen in a while.

"All you need is a pistol to defend your property and yourself not automatic weapons. Pistols, Shotguns, and low calibre semi-automatic rifles are perferctly acceptable."


Tighter gun restrictions are associated with rising crime rates.

See: Britain.
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SouthparkFTW is not online. SouthparkFTW
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03 Aug 2012 10:16 PM
But not gun violence.
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devildog199 is not online. devildog199
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03 Aug 2012 10:17 PM
"But not gun violence."

Wut.

Read Intellectuals and Society.
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MahPizzaIsHere is not online. MahPizzaIsHere
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03 Aug 2012 10:30 PM
Possible parmenides fallacy on the Britain example, devil. Be prepared to back that one up.

Anyways, this is indeed a terrible, terrible straw man.
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infinete is not online. infinete
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03 Aug 2012 10:34 PM
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devildog199 is not online. devildog199
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03 Aug 2012 10:34 PM
"Possible parmenides fallacy on the Britain example, devil"

If you're referring to me trying to predict the future, or whatever, I suppose that you're talking about the future of America. Would I be right in saying that?
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LordOfTheFries is not online. LordOfTheFries
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03 Aug 2012 10:39 PM
and all we democrats can say is

guns dont save lives

people kill people with guns

the second ammendement was written when owning a gun was nessassary
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MahPizzaIsHere is not online. MahPizzaIsHere
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03 Aug 2012 10:41 PM
I'll explain some. Please note: I'm assuming that "are associated with" can be switched with "are a cause of". Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Anyways, while elaboration will probably clear up the fallacy in question, your current statement assumes that all things (excuse hyperbole) will remain constant. That is, the potential for gun violence would remain the same (or at least on a linear trend) if a gun control law would never have been enacted. This is fallacious because there is the possibility for outside factors to push gun violence in one direction or another--gun violence would have increased anyways.

I recommend that you argue that the gun control law increased crime more than in an alternate reality where no such law was passed.
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BadrangTheTyrant is not online. BadrangTheTyrant
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03 Aug 2012 10:58 PM
We need assault rifles in order to reinstate the constitution, should the need arise.
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MahPizzaIsHere is not online. MahPizzaIsHere
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03 Aug 2012 11:20 PM
The State exists to maximize the opportunity of those upon whose consent the State derives its power.

That should answer everything about the future feasibility of gun control laws.
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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03 Aug 2012 11:24 PM
Do we Americans need automatic assult rifles and machineguns to defend ourselfs. All you need is a pistol to defend your property and yourself not automatic weapons. Pistols, Shotguns, and low calibre semi-automatic rifles are perferctly acceptable.
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You also don't need an Audi R8. All you need is a car that goes 80mph. NOTHING MORE!

And shotguns are actually a helluva a lot more deadly than than assault rifles. An 870 with an extended tube, pistol grip pump, and buck shot could of killed way more than just 12 people in that theatre shooting.
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jam2468 is not online. jam2468
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03 Aug 2012 11:31 PM
We don't really need automatic assault rifles or machine guns, but everything else should be legal.

And I mean automatic. If the rifle doesn't have full-auto then it should be fine.
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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03 Aug 2012 11:34 PM
Okay, I can just simply convert my AR15 to full auto with bump fire. LOL! U DIE NOW!

And I own a massive collection of antique military full automatic weapons. Deal with it.
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jam2468 is not online. jam2468
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03 Aug 2012 11:36 PM
You speak to me as if I was one of those people who support gun control.
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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03 Aug 2012 11:37 PM
Also, the Firearm Owners Protection Act still hasn't prohibited me from legally acquiring a bunch of LMG/HMG what have you.
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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03 Aug 2012 11:38 PM
You speak to me as if I was one of those people who support gun control.
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>Wants to ban assault rifles
>Gun control
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jam2468 is not online. jam2468
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03 Aug 2012 11:40 PM
Who said banning assault rifles? I said fully automatic assault rifles. If you can convert it from semi-auto to fully-auto then good for you.
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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03 Aug 2012 11:44 PM
>Assault Rifle
>Definition:

The translation assault rifle gradually became the common term for similar firearms sharing the same technical definition as the StG 44. In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:

It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
It must be capable of selective fire;
It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable magazine rather than a feed-belt.
And it should at least have a firing range of 300 meters (1000 feet)

Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles despite frequently being considered as such. For example, semi-automatic-only rifles like the AR-15 (which the M16 rifle is based on) that share designs with assault rifles are not assault rifles, as they are not capable of switching to automatic fire and thus are not selective fire capable. Belt-fed weapons or rifles with fixed magazines are likewise not assault rifles because they do not have detachable box magazines.
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jam2468 is not online. jam2468
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03 Aug 2012 11:51 PM
*Sigh* Believe what you want. It is America after all and you have that right.
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Twigs180 is not online. Twigs180
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04 Aug 2012 12:04 AM
Believe? I am simply stating an assault rifle ban is already in place in America.
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infinete is not online. infinete
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04 Aug 2012 12:14 AM
Taking away assault rifles will only take hem out of the hands of those who follow the law. Not criminals.
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Creatant is not online. Creatant
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04 Aug 2012 12:15 AM
When I lived in Jamaica, we had literally the highest homicide rate in the world. For those of you who don't know, the gun laws in Jamaica are pretty strict. A very small minority of the citizens were licensed to have firearms, and the law stated that "the right to private gun ownership is not guaranteed." Just recently, the homicide rate has been declining after increased police activity within Jamaica where gangs are being cracked down on more often and harshly than ever before. This year, the homicide rate has dropped by around 30%.

The biggest problem was the gang activity, being blamed for 90% -huge portion- of the homicides. Not only did the gangs fight each other in their turf wars, but they were also known to round up innocent civilians and kill them. The common weapon of choice was some type of gun. The laws in Jamaica make it very difficult for anyone to own a gun. A license is hard to obtain and is VERY expensive to keep yearly. So, how the heck did a bunch of stupid gang members get guns? Nearly 80% of recovered guns (used in homicides or suspicious activity) in Jamaica aren't even legally obtained in Jamaica. They are illegally smuggled from the United States.

The funny part about this is that many Jamaicans blamed the relatively relaxed gun control in the U.S. for allowing people to easily get guns and smuggle them to Jamaica. The crack down on gang activity included a crack down on illegal gun smuggling.

Want to hear something really funny? As an effort to reduce the massive amount of gun crime, the U.N. literally help Jamaica throw 2,000 guns into a blazing furnace, melting them to oblivion. The gun-crime rate decreased after this, but it was more because of the gang activity crackdown and closer watch on illegally smuggled guns.





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SSstar is not online. SSstar
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04 Aug 2012 12:29 AM
It doesn't quite matter how strict you are with guns, even if you get rid of them altogether, people who want to hurt or kill other people will still find some sort of way to get their hands on those weapons. When shootings happen people start to blame the gun laws because they think that's a solution. It's not.
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Creatant is not online. Creatant
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04 Aug 2012 12:40 AM
"It doesn't quite matter how strict you are with guns, even if you get rid of them altogether, people who want to hurt or kill other people will still find some sort of way to get their hands on those weapons. When shootings happen people start to blame the gun laws because they think that's a solution. It's not."

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that preventing illegal gun smuggling into Jamaica altogether would greatly decrease the homicide rate. The gangs use guns as the weapon of choice for a reason. They are smuggling them illegally for a reason.
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