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| 01 Aug 2012 06:56 PM |
Nice VIP weapons.
Why is it when you kill a man in the heat of passion it is murder? |
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ToberDam
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| 01 Aug 2012 06:56 PM |
| You're welcome to buy them. |
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| 01 Aug 2012 06:57 PM |
No thanks, I shouldn't need VIP weapons to make a fight more "fair"
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| 01 Aug 2012 06:59 PM |
ALMOSTPROTIP:
Buy the LMG.
Best gun a raider can get.
[Rootin'est, tootin'est, shootin'est TGI Commissar!] |
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:00 PM |
@Boost
It's pathetic compared to the Dragoon or VIP stuff they get.
I rather not need a virtual currency to win a raid.
:=[1st Gen C&Ger]=: |
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:01 PM |
So basically what I am getting at here is that if I don't get VIP I can't win the raid. Oh well.
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:02 PM |
The only things you get from VIP are extra weapons, medpacks, and a jetpack.
Dragoons earn their rifles. You can buy yours (along with said jetpack and medpacks) right off the shelf (in figurative terms).
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:02 PM |
*Implying everyone in UCR has the money to buy every VIP*
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:03 PM |
"*Implying everyone in UCR has the money to buy every VIP*"
>implying brickster cares about the raiders/hostile forces |
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:04 PM |
How fast does that med kit regen?
Because it seriously should be a one time use.
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:04 PM |
You don't need to buy every VIP. We have Super VIP there for a reason.
Also, there's a shop. You earn money by KILLING people. Try to do that, and you can get your ARs and LDPRs and such.
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:05 PM |
Almost every gun does negligible amounts of damage compared to the VIP weapons.
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:07 PM |
Please stop making the "Your welcome to buy VIP, it's there"
You do have to realize that some people can't buy it, they aren't funded, ect.
This shouldn't be a money war.
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:09 PM |
I have the VIP! :P
<----Join his Primary, It's a Private Military. |
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:09 PM |
Too bad I fear that it might be except for on our turf.
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:12 PM |
@Dark: You have the option of buying it and standing a chance, or contuining your crying.
Orion is a joke to raid. Only one way in, apparently "Randomized" damage swords that's usually in the favor of UCR. The majority of UCR defenders have enough money and KOs to get all guns or spawn with a good weapon. Do not complain to us about ONE gun when you have many at your base. Infact I find Orion worse to raid, because it's either a brick wall or all of your members RQ.
Our base is imbalanced to the defenders HOLDING THE BASE. Your base is imbalanced toward your clan. Please tell me that's justified. |
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:14 PM |
I don't know why you think VIP is required to raid.
You CAN win at the Stronghold; it's just difficult because we always have TGI there, and a lot of them just happen to have VIP.
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:28 PM |
@Tober
You, again, miss the point on the first part. Some people DO NOT have the option of buying it due to money limitations.
Now, one gun, okay. Great, a gun. Now let me count. Health packs, 1, Dragoon Gun, 2, Jetpack, 3, could all be used in a tactical situation, but they all have to be bought using virtual currency besides the Dragoon rifle, but ADV AR could make up for it, but I have never seen it.
In Orion, nothing is VIP. Now, you say the majority of them have enough money to get all of them or spawn with a good weapon. Sure, but at least the weapon you spawn with isn't a huge damage amplifier, it's a pistol. As for the money, you can easily wipe that out after a while with enough raids, and the only two guns that are really damaging is that M600 and the Magistratus. The SCAR-L and Fire sword could be justified with your tank and transport, although yours are not permanent to my belief, yes, therefore that could be considered not a valid point.
I personally think that the base is more sword reliant over gun reliant, and the only advantage to that is the flame sword, but with swords, anything could happen.
I will not argue with the brick wall, because I do actually agree with that, it can be.
So yes, you can be justified, but both forts have their faults.
I have showed you some of yours, and you have showed me some of ours.
That's all I wanted, not to whine or cry, but to point out some stuff and have you think about it, as I have.
So think about it, throw out any comeback to this post, and I would appreciate you not to turn this into a flame war, as that gets people no where.
Thank you.
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:29 PM |
you don't go to a military base IRL and say "OMG OVERPOWERED WEAPON!" because they have miniguns or humvees, or extra supplies
it means UCR needs to keep their bases the same rate as TGI Each enemy should compare fairnesses |
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:30 PM |
http://www.roblox.com/Unfair-Bases-item?id=79122905
"Orion is a joke to raid. Only one way in, apparently "Randomized" damage swords that's usually in the favor of UCR. The majority of UCR defenders have enough money and KOs to get all guns or spawn with a good weapon. Do not complain to us about ONE gun when you have many at your base. Infact I find Orion worse to raid, because it's either a brick wall or all of your members RQ.
Now, give me a second to stop laughing at your "thecaptain97 admin sword" moment. The single "bonus" is giving prestige pistols for having certain amount of KOs, but all these pistols do the same amount of damage and are free to acquire on the battlefield by going to a giver. These pistols are the WEAKEST guns in the server, compared to TGI's bonus being the STRONGEST gun.
While UCR have more cash, anybody who spends time in the server, raid or not, will receive cash. There are plenty of free guns that are perfectly comparable to the purchasable guns, not to mention that the fort is geared towards sword combat. ORION is filled with cover, alternate routes, secret passageways, and chokepoints to give sword fighters the advantage. Guns are only a means of keeping the game from being monotonous by introducing additional dynamic elements.
I'm not sure if you're trolling or what; the last line leaves me scratching my head.
"Our base is imbalanced to the defenders HOLDING THE BASE. Your base is imbalanced toward your clan."
On the other hand, TGI 1. Gets cash bonuses 2. Gets divisional bonuses 3. Spawn closer to the base
The cash bonuses don't really matter much since none of the guns are especially helpful, other than the sniper. The divisional bonuses give out free guns to people in TGI divisions, and the Dragoons get their own special gun that is better than any gun in the game. It's just as bad as the RAT minigun, except you don't even realize how overpowered it is, and continue to fire away to your heart's content. |
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:31 PM |
@Prag
That's exactly what I'm doing right now.
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:33 PM |
We've already discussed about nerfering the dragoon gun, as far as accuracy and damage goes to make it more balanced. As far as the stronghold goes; quite frankly the whole VIP dispute is stupid.
I'm not going to lie and say the stronghold is fair; it's not. We have more powerful weapons, and we do spawn closer. The fact of the matter is, the VIP is put in place as a temporary relief until Castellian wishes to make a change to the stronghold; which he cannot do because of his break at Poland.
As far as Orion being a fair base, I can't agree with that and downright say it is. Orion has it's problems; but certainly the Stronghold does too.
Both bases have their problems; and both clans should be able to deal with them without such arguments. |
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| 01 Aug 2012 07:34 PM |
"On the other hand, TGI 1. Gets cash bonuses 2. Gets divisional bonuses 3. Spawn closer to the base"
Challenged: 1. The benefits of being apart of something. Check how VS got big. 2. So basically an Air Force division would have to use ground based weapon? Then what's the point of having divisions? Obviously most enemy bases are ground based fully. 3. shoopdawoop ucr has a code door. giv meh a break. I don't see why not. It could be better that anyone who holds the bomb spawns closer to base.
I thought you were looking for an opponent. Good to scavenger before war.
Thecaptain97 obviously has his own base issues. That, I can agree with. And as he says "GET OVER IT! IT'S OUR BASE!" He bases this game online of real warfare and let's RIC have as much benefits as the regular U.S Army would at THEIR base. |
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