Reaven
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:10 AM |
@Epic
So what. I didn't find a loophole. I just generated such a massive amount of respect as leader in a short period of time that no one cared when I broke my oath to Boba. |
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:10 AM |
| John's Jesters could become John's Juggernauts with the help of some VAK. |
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:10 AM |
>My first loyalty is to Pspjohn1
And your loyalty is being proven, Reforming a group he can not. You are doing him a favour.
You also mentioned honor, What honor is there in letting a tyrant lie to his people, and act as if he knows what he is doing? Take a look at all the kings in europe, Each crashed and their kingdom was lost.
It'd be more honorable to save a group from the grasp of an idiot. |
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:10 AM |
Forget the oath. Psp said his loyalty is to the people of JC. Do what is best for the people. |
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:11 AM |
Step 1: Make some new active generals Step 2: Hold some new Vakish training sessions Step 3: New fort |
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:12 AM |
I say shutdown JC and start new. Your name is not John, may I point that out.:/ |
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:12 AM |
| Psp's oath binds him to the good of JC. Your oath binds you to Psp. By taking over you are helping Psp by helping the people of JC. |
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Reaven
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:12 AM |
@VAC
Alright, enough. This isn't about how awesome Vak is and how awesome JC would be if Vak took over. Stop talking about how great of leaders you'd all be. I'm a Vak Lieutenant and you don't see me trying to take over JC seriously.
Try to help Epic in a way that doesn't involve talking about Vak? |
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Epicrules
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:12 AM |
| Reaven, I would care though. If I were to actually keep JC, which I will not, I would feel incredibly bad about it for quite a while.. Even though it would be what's best for JC, keep in mind that JC has been stolen from John before, and now that it has 30,000 members, it would probably really upset him... If I had invested time, money, and manpower in to a group to have it grow to 30,000 members just to have it taken from me, I would be... quite upset, to say the least. When I lost my Darkheart to iTrapped [with a little help from the admin panel... >_>], I felt so stressed out about it. And that's a sword. Losing a 30,000 member group... That would be... |
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:14 AM |
| It's a hard decision. But face it, JC sucks and will keep on sucking unless you do something. |
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:14 AM |
| Epic, Do your duty as the leader. Take care of the people, not the tyrant who's still keeping his grasp over the group. The Generals are loyalists to John, They will not agree with you for that reason, Search the group, you'll find loyalists to you, A better leader. |
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:14 AM |
| JC failed because of john. |
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:15 AM |
| Mull it over. Ask people on C&G. Most people dislike John's rule. |
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Valone
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:15 AM |
I'll talk to John, see what I can do. If you don't want to lead it, then I can help find a suitable leader.
Likewise, I'll gladly be leader with the permission of John. |
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Reaven
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:15 AM |
@Epic
Selfish, arrogant, egotistical, and an immoral person. That is what PSP acts like. That is what Boba acted like.
A lot of terrible leaders in history lost their massive empires. Do you really feel bad about it? Louis the 16th lost France. That devastated him, but it's not the revolutionaries' fault that he sucked so much as a leader. |
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:15 AM |
Epic. Want my offer or no? |
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:16 AM |
| Exile John. See what happens. If the people of JC like it, rule fairly (getting outside help would be good) but if they dislike it, give it to John and leave. One is a big win, other not so much. |
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:17 AM |
Epic, ignore the idiots attempting to take power. Let's take a lesson in history for a second.
Who would you risk your life for, A million people, or a leader.
If there was poverty, JC would be filled with poverty, It's not respected at all. Johns Cobras is used by smaller clans as an excuse to defeat a superclan. |
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Epicrules
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:18 AM |
Here's the oath he made me take when he gave me the group. He sent me the one I took when I became colonel over x/f, and I don't log x/f chats.
I, [my name], swear an oath of loyalty to the people of John's Cobras. I swear that I shall lead the clan to the best of my ability, and that I shall not let the clan down. I shall dedicate my life to the people whilst I am serving them until the Emperor returns. I promise not to make any choices which I know will be degrading to the clan, and I promise to uphold the honour of the people. I swear that I shall return John's Cobras to it's rightful owner pspjohn1 if he ever requests it, and that I shall not give the clan away to any other person. HAIL COBRAS! |
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Valone
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Reaven
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:18 AM |
Don't exile John. That's pointless really.
You need to prove to JC that you're the proper leader. Then when PSP gets mad at you for leading JC well, you allow him to go insane. You post long threads about how much you've improved JC, allow him to rage and scream and act immature. Believe me he will.
Once JC sees him as assaulting the guy they respect as leader, and being an idiot about it, no one will care when he breaks ever JC rule and has to be exiled. |
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| 28 Jul 2012 08:18 AM |
| A couple of VAK as Generals could drastically change JC for the better. |
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