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I'm at a loss on what to do with JC.

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Epicrules is not online. Epicrules
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
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28 Jul 2012 07:58 AM
No, I don't mean anything like "shut it down" or anything like that. I'm referring to how I basically don't have the ability to do ANYTHING right now. John told me that I could only change anything if I ran it through the generals first, but the generals are inactive, and most of them are... quite simply, bad. John refused to take Fort Fang off of his profile, and instead said "oh you can just send me an updated version every couple of days"... Even though he never gave me the current version of Fang to make edits to. I had a lot of plans and ideas, but John has effectively prevented me from doing anything. He told me, before he left, that he did not want to come back to a completely changed JC. But then, how am I supposed to make it better?
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chickenlord is not online. chickenlord
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28 Jul 2012 07:59 AM
So, Reflush the system. You know, you could rebuild JC better then john could, right?
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Epicrules is not online. Epicrules
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28 Jul 2012 08:00 AM
I know I can rebuild it, but he's effectively told me that I can't really -do- anything.
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chickenlord is not online. chickenlord
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28 Jul 2012 08:01 AM
And what power does he hold over you? You own the group, It's your leadership. Lead JC into a better way of life. You could improve JC on so many grounds.
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Reaven is not online. Reaven
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28 Jul 2012 08:01 AM
Make me a general? I'm active :D

But really, you need to kick the generals around a bit. It's unacceptable to have leaders who do nothing. I don't care how much they whine about it, they're bad leaders, and a real leader would recognize when he's doing poorly.

Scour the membership. Especially membership from a year ago and more. You're bound to find good leaders who simply are backlogged in all the bureaucracy and have never had a chance to excel.
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calebbishop is not online. calebbishop
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28 Jul 2012 08:03 AM
Reaven is right, except on the general thing.
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1AmericanPatriot is not online. 1AmericanPatriot
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28 Jul 2012 08:03 AM
Vaktovians could wip up the FC in shape.
Make me a General if you wish.
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Epicrules is not online. Epicrules
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28 Jul 2012 08:03 AM
That's another thing he told me: He doesn't want me to exile everyone I think is a "noob". He wants JC to have a lot of members, regardless of their skill level.
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hawkeyesnathan421 is not online. hawkeyesnathan421
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28 Jul 2012 08:04 AM
If they're inactive get new Generals.
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chickenlord is not online. chickenlord
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28 Jul 2012 08:04 AM
Epic, here's what you do. Exile john. You have the favour of the C&G, If anything, JC should be lead by a true leader like yourself. Take a look at the Green Jackets, Well respected, Like all of JC should be.
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1AmericanPatriot is not online. 1AmericanPatriot
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28 Jul 2012 08:04 AM
We'll, turn the noobs into soldiers.
Those who just ar't fit get the boot
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1AmericanPatriot is not online. 1AmericanPatriot
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28 Jul 2012 08:05 AM
Gah, dumb tablet.
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Reaven is not online. Reaven
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28 Jul 2012 08:05 AM
@Epic

You don't need to exile them. Demote them to a lesser leadership rank and basically say that unless they work, they don't get a higher rank. They'll likely exile themselves, but they're probably egotistical whiners who sucked up to PSP anyway.

I saw this when Boba gave me APN. I totally redid the officer corps and changed tons of things, and eventually it ended up with getting rid of Boba.

If PSP is an ineffective leader, which he seemingly is, then you get rid of him. It's not his place to lead a group he doesn't have the ability to.
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Epicrules is not online. Epicrules
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28 Jul 2012 08:06 AM
Hawkeye, I can't just demote all the generals. Especially because most of them own JC divisions that they probably wouldn't give back if they were demoted, unless John was the one to demote them.

Chickenlord, that would be breaking my oath and violating my honor.
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calebbishop is not online. calebbishop
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28 Jul 2012 08:06 AM
A civil war would be fun for us... taking sides.
Psp is a horrible leader, but you may be branded disloyal and not be trusted.
Ups and downs.
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Meowmixxed is not online. Meowmixxed
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28 Jul 2012 08:06 AM
Epic, there are many things you can do. JC's organizational infrastructure is clearly flawed - the general/senate system is archaic. Keep in mind YOU own the group, you can make whatever changes you wish - John doesn't control you. Most-all people dislike him for his poor leadership, you run things now. You can change whatever you wish.

Don't leave JC as a clan purely for mass raids, you can make it more. Reorganize the training systems, reorganize the high command systems, reorganize the promotion systems.

JC *CAN* thrive with you leading it. I have many ideas, but I'm not there to implement them.

Good luck.
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chickenlord is not online. chickenlord
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28 Jul 2012 08:07 AM
Exactly, Epic, Rebuild JC, it's your time to show the clan world what Johns Cobra's is truly capable of. The Grey Army would stand behind you all the way.
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chickenlord is not online. chickenlord
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28 Jul 2012 08:07 AM
>Chickenlord, that would be breaking my oath and violating my honor.

And there are always loopholes in an oath.
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assasinatorking is not online. assasinatorking
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28 Jul 2012 08:07 AM
Then get some more active generals. Your the leader now, not john.

OR just give it to me so I can claim it for Vaktovia.
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1AmericanPatriot is not online. 1AmericanPatriot
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28 Jul 2012 08:07 AM
It's no lie that VAK won the war,
By a land slide.
I'm willing to help JC
Plus I know their weakness.
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Reaven is not online. Reaven
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28 Jul 2012 08:07 AM
Hey, I got rid of the leader everyone thought was massively important and could never be brought down in a matter of days. And only one leader actually left APN to go with Boba. You need respect and authority, and to end the grip PSP has on the group, and no one will care what he says anymore.
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calebbishop is not online. calebbishop
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28 Jul 2012 08:07 AM
I would personally stand with you, although I will fight for whomever my emperor wants me to.
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Epicrules is not online. Epicrules
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28 Jul 2012 08:08 AM
It's hard to find a loophole in the oath of which the first line says:

"My first loyalty is to Pspjohn1"
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Meowmixxed is not online. Meowmixxed
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28 Jul 2012 08:09 AM
Epic, I must agree with everyone else. Even with JC the majority of ROBLOX dislikes John - without JC I doubt most of the high ranks would even stand loyal to him. He is a tyrant, and certainly not an effective leader.

Do what is best for JC. Not what is best for an oath.
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Valone is not online. Valone
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28 Jul 2012 08:09 AM
If you want, I can give you some pointers.
John wouldn't mind at all.
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