TDFall
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| 25 Jul 2012 07:13 PM |
(Essentially I am going to rebut this thread here: http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=73540027)
[18:28] [SCommander] Prag: go make a qq thread [18:28] [SCommander] Prag: cuz u have so much troll rep u got all da supporters
Late last night, a rumor spread that Pragmatic was going to shut down Sleet Clan. A vigilant UCR Council, Swordmaker heard of this, and initially thought to bring some of his ex-UCR friends over from Sleet Clan, as it would no longer exist, and he wanted them to have a decent future in the clan world. Pragmatic says that this was simply Sword's invention, but I can confirm we both heard this first from a SC member. Immediately following this, I gave Sword the clear to invite his friends over to UCR. At the time, too, I was communicating to a few Sleet Clan myself, and, without even offering, they asked to join UCR.
Let me be clear: From chatting Pragmatic myself about an hour ago, he more or less confirmed that SC was about to enter a long, dying period of decay. He also said that, in light of this controversy, he was motivated to stay with Sleet Clan. If anything, credit this fracas for making him remain with the clan.
[18:27] [SCommander] Prag: I was too unstable and I was about to give tober SC [18:27] [SCommander] Prag: and [swordmaker] did this [18:27] [SCommander] Prag: overnight [18:27] [SCommander] Prag: nice preparation for him [18:27] [▬TD▬]: I heard [18:27] [SCommander] Prag: now I’m influenced to stay [18:27] [▬TD▬]: from a SC HR [18:27] [▬TD▬]: that you were going to shut it down [18:27] [SCommander] Prag: right dude [18:27] [▬TD▬]: this was before anthing happened [18:27] [SCommander] Prag: I’d totally do it [18:27] [▬TD▬]: *anything
Where some lines got blurred was when, after I logged off, Sword took my approval of recruiting his friends to apply to all Sleet Clan HRs. As the rumor spread, it became more and more misconstrued, just like a game of "telephone." Sword contacted just about every SC HR and asked them to join for a high rank, which was simply not intended. However, I do not fault him greatly. He acted quickly and effectively, albeit manipulatively.
Now, Pragmatic, being his usual self, reacted vehemently to the exposition of his poor intentions for the clan. His reactionary next movements were impulsive and ill-informed, trying to selectively piece information in order to paint a picture that would fit his own twisted viewpoint.
At no point was deliberate "member-stealing" intended. Once again, Pragmatic had confided to myself and other SC HRs that he saw no future to the clan. The actions taken were made, initially, to help out those we were friendly with and offer them a chance to go on after Sleet Clan died. After I logged off and Swordmaker took matters into his own hands, the scope increased.
Remember still, that Pragmatic had said himself he was going to shutdown SC.
[18:27] [SCommander] Prag: i even committed [18:27] [SCommander] Prag: i’d give [18:27] [SCommander] Prag: tober SC [18:27] [SCommander] Prag: if I ever leave [18:27] [SCommander] Prag: to give to anyone [18:28] [▬TD▬]: prag, I'm not going to argue with your twisted point of view [18:28] [SCommander] Prag: and that’s what i was gonna do [18:28] [SCommander] Prag: the thing is [18:28] [SCommander] Prag: he told me this [18:28] [SCommander] Prag: “dont leave” [18:28] [SCommander] Prag: he didnt want SC
He immediately took to the forums to rant and rave about a secret plot of "spies, idiots, and exploiters," completely ignoring any of the facts. Instead of handling the situation maturely, he decided to blow it up and try to spin it against UCR.
Think about it: if you were a high rank (or are already) and a HIGH RANK (not even the LEADER) of another group, that you've never felt attached to, asks you to join for an equivalent rank, would you leave? I've gleaned from conversations with SC members that Pragmatic's instability has been conducive to rising stress in the clan, straining the loyalty of his members.
[18:36] [SCommander] Prag: I’m not causing **** with UCR [18:36] [▬TD▬]: listen [18:36] [▬TD▬]: dawg [18:36] [▬TD▬]: Don't stress out about this [18:36] [▬TD▬]: because [18:36] [▬TD▬]: all that you're doing to "hurt" us [18:36] [SCommander] Prag: if you wanna boogie then bring it on but just tell your council to stop going around saying “prag is gonna shutdown SC”
Consider also how effective this accidental recruitment was. According to Pragmatic, more than 10 SC highranks left and joined UCR. Many of them had little to no connections to the clan. Why, then, would they just outright leave? This is indicative of a deeper problem in Sleet Clan. I would hope that Pragmatic try to attack this issue rather than use his efforts to lash out against UCR for something that is simply overblown.
This is just another situation where we've made a mountain out of a molehill, as the idiom goes. I only hope Pragmatic realizes that. I've said it before and say it again, the actions taken were well-intentioned, not "member-stealing." Honestly, I hope that SC does well now that they have their leader back. Overall, Pragmatic's and UCR's pride may have been hurt, but, besides that, I doubt that there's anything we can't simply move past with a bilateral apology.
UCR will handle its relations with other clans (TGI, RAA) in different regard.
For Pragmatic, I wish him luck in repairing his clan after his long absence and I hope that we can put this behind. We apologize for the general chaos, and, had I been on earlier, this would have been handled long before it exploded.
-TD. Qui non proficit, deficit. |
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vader10
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| 25 Jul 2012 07:20 PM |
>A vigilant UCR Council, Swordmaker
klol
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Coggmatic
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GGGGG14
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| 25 Jul 2012 07:22 PM |
| Wow... a lot emotion here. |
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dudeshark
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| 25 Jul 2012 07:25 PM |
| This is just how SC is going to fall. Prag is a nice guy but he tends to dramatize things. He makes harsh choices that hurt the clan. |
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Flixal
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Froast
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zman250
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| 25 Jul 2012 07:42 PM |
| The bigger the bill the harder you ball. |
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Froast
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| 25 Jul 2012 07:44 PM |
| Lol Froast, exactly what I was thinking :P |
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jacob675
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| 25 Jul 2012 07:45 PM |
| Hope things will calm down for UCR and SC. The relations between UCR and SC before the thread were how can I put it, Abysmal. Thanks for clearing it up TDFall. |
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| 25 Jul 2012 07:45 PM |
| Finally someone can summarize what I wanted to say<3 |
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| 25 Jul 2012 07:45 PM |
| sc will go to war with ucr |
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jacob675
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jacob675
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Pragmatic
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| 25 Jul 2012 07:51 PM |
You've got it wrong, swordmaker didn't take some rumor from any SC member he took skater16 info and you know that's never any good. After that the tension between our friendship called in this, you know he posted on the UCR wall: "we are gladly taking SC's HRs" right?
Explain why everyone who DID join UCR hate me and say I lied, more. It was brought up after one issue. It looks like he really did hit the fan this time.
You said you were looking for a war, if you wanted one all you had to do was ask not make some scene like this, especially going after a clan that's already IN troubles. Pfft, really, shame on a lot of you.
And kingboo told me sword twisted your words or something, and then said he did this purposely. His hate on the forums somehow "hurting" me like you said is another good reason he was harming the ally.
I will get a screenshot of sword saying "we are gladly stealing SC's HRs" and show you. Because any of this is some bs coverup, nice try though. Boby342 knows most too.
Skater16 was promoted and so were many other people. I'm seeing a lot of "autopromotions" here. I talked to carter, killer, etc. THEY WERE ALL SUPPOSED TO GET LOW COUNCIL. By the way, even your own members are dissappointed, go to page 44 to 48 and read it all on the UCR wall currently (after the spammer so it might be further ahead, exile the guy spamming hate on you bro)
While you're at it I'm gonna stick in UCR to read some cool stuff I had on dboot. DON'T EXILE PLZ.
I'm not gonna be mature if your high rank isn't at ALL at this time. I was even going to apologize, read my thread and go so help me notice how important Swordmaker actually was.
So, you can tell swordfaker this is me, sending my regards. Two wrongs never make a right.
Mr. TDFall I appreciate your condolence and maturity if you would like some screenshots of this stuff I'd be happy to show you. |
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Death2day
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Eclipsin
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Pragmatic
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| 25 Jul 2012 07:56 PM |
By the way, "this would've been handled long before it exploded" Swordmaker is unreasonable and uses the word government on this game for the lulz, like this game has any actual economical form. The most it ever has it market fee and tax, there is no such thing as depending life on an online currency, that is the grudge sword held on me for so long. And that was a proper reason but no way to completely offend a clan's motivation.
And yet again, when I said I was going to "totally do it", read where I said "right dude" or "right man" (omg stml wat) and then say that again. I'm not that stupid. |
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