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| 23 Jul 2012 08:15 PM |
| You, sir, have the right idea. |
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:24 PM |
What's causing all of this nostalgia is the fact that ROBLOX is now appealing to younger users, which is probably why we have "easier" tools such as the stamper tool.
But, if a game doesn't succeed then players will not play it, and it is the game creators loss. It won't be displayed as public as popular games either, so why should we consider it OUR loss?
ROBLOX does seem like they're copying Minecraft, but similarity doesn't mean they're mimicking or copying. For users who dislike this, simply do not use the terrain type. MC and ROBLOX are competing sites, since they are both related to building.
The V3 bodies are more KRE-O looking and I'm wondering if ROBLOX is partnering with KRE-O, since we had a recent contest based upon KRE-O and since the V3 bodies look like that.
Similarity isn't mimicking.
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:24 PM |
This thread is being DROWNED in "30% FEE!? UMG H#X" posts. Ugh.
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:26 PM |
| Oh, but I would like ROBLOX to appeal to older users more than younger. |
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:27 PM |
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as for my opinion on the stamper tool, i do believe there should be an "advanced building" option, in which you get more advanced tools, and studio.
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:28 PM |
c
... I just flapped my arms on my keyboard, but all I got was a c, and it opened windows developer tools.
Anyway, their's nothing you can really do to stop roblox from copying everything they see. The same argument has already been assaulting them for months now. And they wont be sued. Why?
Because they always have those subtle differences that lets them say things like "Our bodies dont copy Legos! The torso is different!" or "Our stamper tool doesnt copy minecraft, because we have different textures!" or my personal favorite "Our terrain generator isnt copying minecraft! It has slopes! SLOPES I TELL YOU! FREAKING SLOPES!"
Yeah. |
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:31 PM |
Ah, Mikkel, extensive feedback!
ROBLOX is a "kids" game. Then please tell me, why there are games that have an OFFICAL "FPS" catergory. On ALL the FPS games I know, ranging from CoD, HALO, Gears of War, and more, ALL of them are 17+. Last time I rember, shooting other people, isn't exactly "kid friendly".
Anyways, it's the fact ROBLOX is just about HIDING everything ROBLOX has to offer. Look at the "Builders Club" section. They HID the normal BC. They HID the "Edit" thing. I honestly forgot how to get on to it for a while. ROBLOX is conflicting it's self. It's just foolish of ROBLOX.
Main point Webster's Dictionary: "Copy" "an imitation, transcript, or reproduction of an original work"
Rember the CIRCLE studs? LEGO got pissed at ROBLOX over that. It's just foolish of ROBLOX. We want ORIGIONAL things, the simplicity doesn't matter.
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:31 PM |
there are also other things all seeing sentry:TF2 that hat that looks like a halo reach helmet:halo of course
~Jake:They are just gnomes and illusions.~ |
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:34 PM |
-Omitted: the initial rant as it is opinions, not refutable facts.
"Look at Minecraft, then look at ROBLOX. Repeat multiple times until you figure out that there is about no difference between the 'Mega Sand' and MC's 'Sand'."
So wait, MC owns the concept of cubical sand blocks? That's outright ridiculous.
"Wiring? Redstone."
Or, it's electrical wiring. MC did not invent the concept.
"Bodies. Look at them. V2 AND V3. Now, look at LEGOs, and look at the bodies. Repeat multiople times until you figure out that there is about no difference bewtween the two."
I like how you instruct us on what to see. That's very unbiased and in no way taints the result of the experiment.
Ok, sarcasm aside: LEGO. Does. Not. Own. The. Human. Body. It's not copyright/patent infringement to make something out of blocks that looks human.
"IMPORTANT PART HERE! Before you go flapping your arms on your keyboard and shout out "JUST USE ROBLOX STUDIOS!!!one!elevenone!1", I DO. It is the fact, that most ROBLOXians, don't even know that "Edit" exists, because ROBLOX studios tends to be hidden in a folder. It's not obvious, it doesn't say on your game "Use ROBLOX studios to use Edit!", it's almost hidden. Almost like ROBLOX wants it to be hidden."
This part, I agree with. Edit mode needs to be more visible, however I believe the REASON it's hidden is so that people take the time to learn to build in build mode before moving to edit mode, because edit mode has a FAR steeper learning curve. If a newbie tries to jump straight into edit mode, their opinion is going to be:
"Wait, how do I do this... where do I start... what are these things... what??"
I think Roblox is trying to avoid scaring off the newbies. Now, I don't think this is the correct way to do it - but it's a lot less sinister than this thread implies.
"Stop copying other people" -> I don't think they are, at least not in a truly "bad" way. I'm going to quote MC's developer on this:
"But there is no way you can convince me that it’s beneficial for society to not share ideas. Ideas are free. They improve on old things, make them better, and this results in all of society being better. Sharing ideas is how we improve." -Notch, slightly paraphrased to remove some minor cuss-words.
For wiring, the IDEA of wiring is not owned by MC, don't pretend it is.
Make it so we can use "Edit" without having to open ROBLOX studios. -> Yes.
Give us "ROBLOX" made tools, 100% original. ->Roblox coded or purchased everything in the program. The things you accused them of copying are so general |
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:34 PM |
I LOVE the references that ROBLOX makes in it's hats. I like going every now and again going "Oh, haha! I get it!" or, "I rember that from _____!" They have both that hats from Thomas Bangalter AND Guy-Manuel de Homem-Christo! (Daft Punk!) and DOZENS of other things. It's gotten to the point were this is TOO far. I understand a refernce every now and again, but it's the point where it's becoming a habit of just taking other people's ideas, and pasting them here.
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:34 PM |
| First off, Lego can't sue post October 2005, so how did Lego "sue" ROBLOX? Second, ROBLOX had a partnership with KREO which is a copy of MegoBloks which is a copy of Lego, and the bodies look MUCH more like KREO than Lego. Otherwise, everything is correct here. |
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:37 PM |
Ever notice how admins ignore these? dajavu.
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:39 PM |
"ROBLOX is a "kids" game. Then please tell me, why there are games that have an OFFICAL "FPS" catergory. On ALL the FPS games I know, ranging from CoD, HALO, Gears of War, and more, ALL of them are 17+. Last time I rember, shooting other people, isn't exactly "kid friendly". "
"Cartoon Violence" - Nothing on Roblox is reenact-able by children, the POINT of removing violence from video games is that it supposedly teaches kids "Violence is OK" and makes them hurt each other by reenacting the game. So yes, Roblox is kid friendly.
"Anyways, it's the fact ROBLOX is just about HIDING everything ROBLOX has to offer. Look at the "Builders Club" section. They HID the normal BC. They HID the "Edit" thing. I honestly forgot how to get on to it for a while. ROBLOX is conflicting it's self. "
As explained before, they hid the edit mode for a valid (if debatable) reason. I don't agree with it, but I think Roblox does have a point.
As for BC, I can't argue with you. OBC should be hidden, or no type of BC should be hidden. Marketing at its finest.
"Rember the CIRCLE studs? LEGO got pissed at ROBLOX over that. It's just foolish of ROBLOX. We want ORIGIONAL things, the simplicity doesn't matter."
Except LEGO didn't, Roblox changed the studs of their own free will and without harassment. LEGO has lost nearly every suit it has ever attempted over its circle studs. |
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:39 PM |
"ROBLOX is a 'kids' game. Then please tell me, why there are games that have an OFFICIAL 'FPS' catergory. On ALL the FPS games I know, ranging from CoD, HALO, Gears of War, and more, ALL of them are 17+. Last time I rember, shooting other people, isn't exactly 'kid friendly'."
If ROBLOX is doing that, then they should not appeal to younger audiences, because of the games and game categories.
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"Anyways, it's the fact ROBLOX is just about HIDING everything ROBLOX has to offer. Look at the 'Builders Club' section. They HID the normal BC. They HID the "Edit" thing. I honestly forgot how to get on to it for a while. ROBLOX is conflicting it's self. It's just foolish of ROBLOX."
ROBLOX will always thrive for money, in order to expand, and increase extent. Hiding the regular BC is just another way to intrigue those to pay more money. But, I do believe Edit Mode needs to be exposed more, in order for users to actually improve the overall building environment for ROBLOX.
"Main point- Webster's Dictionary: Copy- an imitation, transcript, or reproduction of an original work
Rember the CIRCLE studs? LEGO got pissed at ROBLOX over that. It's just foolish of ROBLOX. We want ORIGIONAL things, the simplicity doesn't matter."
ROBLOX isn't copying, nor are they reproducing exact matches of MC, KRE-O or Lego. Taco Johns and Taco Bell have VERY similar menu items, yet they aren't copied. (weird comparison) The same is considered for ROBLOX. |
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:40 PM |
@Mr. I am going to unnessicarly copy and paste every sentence from the origional post, and THEN make my retorts. "an imitation, transcript, or reproduction of an original work" Learn "Copy right" "Trade mark" and all that other good stuff (Like patents), before going "THEY DON'T OWN THIS!", as they might. You also said that my examples are BIASED. THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! NO, THIS IS COMPLETELY FOOLISH! Yeay! References! ROBLOX is practily taking other people's ideas, and then pasting them here. The terrain is just about the same as MCs, the bodies are about the same as KRE-O/LEGO, etc. etc. It's just too much.
*whine* I WANT VIRTURALDARKS TO SEE THIS!
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:42 PM |
@Mikkel, it's like ROBLOX is bipolar: "WE SHALL APPEAL TO YOUNGER AUIDENCES!" "LET'S ADD FIRST PERSON SHOOTER CATERGORIES!" It just repeats it's self.
ROBLOX isn't DIRECTLY copying, but it's taking something, taking off 1/2 the good parts of it, and shipping on the productions lines on this.
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:43 PM |
You could argue that minecraft didnt invent terrain generating, wiring, and certain block materials, but it's more so the time roblox implemented it. At the peak of minecraft's popularity.
To be honest, if roblox added these after minecraft's popularity died (which it kind of has) then I wouldnt make assumptions. However, like I said, they announced these features just a month or two (give or take a month more) after minecraft's popularity hit an all time high. You know, the moment where everyone who used to have 20 dollars was playing it and no one could shut up about it... and everyone dressed as steve... and countless minecraft places happened... and creeper clothes....
I think you get the point. But of course, those are all my opinions. |
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:44 PM |
And I'm not disagreeing with that.
ROBLOX should either stick with one audience, or make the audience suitable and appropriate for everyone.
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Lego, KRE-O and MC never held any copyright for any particular trait that you think has been copied.
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:44 PM |
AMEN hes also japanese or watches anime cause baka means stupid tee hee :3
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:45 PM |
I'm sorry for quoting you so you can see what I am debating, I will refrain from doing so on your posts in the future.
The shape of the human body isn't patent-able - no one invented it; the people who discovered it have been dead for millions of years.
"anyone who invents or discovers any new and useful process, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter, or any new and useful improvement thereof, may obtain a patent"
My statement about bias was a JOKE, don't take offense to it. Yes, telling people the conclusion they should draw before hand IS biasing them, but I don't actually think you intended to do it. |
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:45 PM |
My previous post was a reply to 1234's last post.
/I love an in-depth debate/ |
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:46 PM |
Not to be rude or anything, but shouldnt we stick with the topic at hand?
That being roblox and the creative part of their brain slowly decaying until one day it finally falls off? |
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:46 PM |
@Mikkel
This is why I quote things, so people know exactly who and what I am disputing. ._. |
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| 23 Jul 2012 08:47 PM |
I quote when I can't remember every single word of a post.
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