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| 14 Jul 2012 09:24 PM |
While I've been defending JC, there have been many insults and claims on how "unfair" Fort Fang is. Personally, I believe Fort Fang is the most fair superclan base out there. However, I will address all issues regarding such.
I've also been meaning to state the facts about Swampy Moon Outpost.
Let's begin.
============= Fort Fang: John's Cobras
-Green Jackets
Alright, so the Green Jackets spawn with rifles and one medipack. Rifles, if used correctly, can kill in 2 - 3 shots. They can be countered with the minigun, or anyone who can shoot well with a sniper. They are good in medium - far range, but can also be used in close range if the user has enough skill. Though they spawn with the rifle, you can buy a VIP that allows you to spawn with a rifle as well. You can find it here:
http://www.roblox.com/Rifleman-Starter-Pack-item?id=73797315
You can also buy the rifle in a shop, which can be accessed right next to the raider base.
It can also be comparable to many divisions in other clans. For example, RAT Immortals/Honors spawn with their own guns. Vaktovian RG's spawn with their own, and many other clans use the same system.
-Group doors
Though in JC's favour, all raiders can go through the group doors if they can get a JC to open it, the doors do not kill. It can be comparable to Celeste Group doors, as well as Vaktovian group doors.
-Extra Credits
JC get 13 more credits than raiders. This allows JC to buy more perks and guns quicker.
-Guards
JC have the ability to buy guards that only kill raiders. pspjohn1 nerfed them, so they are not as powerful as before. They spawn in the flag room, and can be used in combination with other tactics to retake the base.
-JC spawn with M16's
In my opinion, the M16 is horrible. Though the only gun that can wallshoot, it normally breaks welds and is generally a useless tool in combat.
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Overall, I see the JC base as being very fair. Though JC do have advantages, most of them are not major. From experiance of TGI winning over 50 times at their base, their base is perfectly raidable.
=================== Swampy Moon Outpost: The Vaktovian Empire
-Royal Guard
The Royal Guard spawn with miniguns. Though very unfair, most of the Royal Guards are inactive, and do not go to SMO often.
-Weapons
VAK has better weapons than raiders. From what I have been told, the raiders fire rate is much slower. Though VAK claims that it damages more, I'd rather have a gun that fires faster.
-Group Doors
The group doors are located on the left side of the base by the Obby. It is near the raider spawn, so it is not always easy to get over there. It kills any raider who tries to go in, therefore it is slightly unfair.
-ATAC
The ATAC is a remote control plane. It can fire rockets and lazers, and is basically invincible. If destroyed, the pilot can simply regen it. There is a group only door leading to this, raiders cannot enter.
-Spawns
VAK and VAC alike spawn right across the field, making it very hard for raiders to get by. They have a spawn advantage. Raiders can counter this by eggjumping or stacking, but it is hard to get past this.
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In my opinion, SMO is unfair for raiders. Though it is possible to win there, it is very hard, and requires skilled raiders. I find that Fort Fang is far more fair than SMO. For anyone who wishes to tell me otherwise, I am welcome for any arguement that can be raid.
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meto02
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:27 PM |
That ATAC....that god forsaken ATAC. Literally infuriates me.
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:27 PM |
>Alright, so the Green Jackets spawn with rifles and one medipack.
I'm pretty sure Green Jackets get more than one med pack.
Everytime I get their health low enough, they pop out a med pack at least 2-3 times.
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:27 PM |
Well, apparently they don't use the ATAC much anymore, unless there are exploiters.
But seriously, I feel as if the ATAC is extremely laggy and unfair. |
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:28 PM |
@Boost,
They use it in combination with the medipack VIP, which gives you three extra medipacks, and is 20 robux.
Check psphjohn1's VIP listing.
(psst; I would know, my alt is in GJ) |
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:29 PM |
-Royal Guard Not many, and not abusive of the chaingun/sword
-Weapons We have faster shooting guns, less damage, and it isnt much of a difference at all
-ATAC Destroyable, used in like 1:19 situations, and exploiters
-Spawns Egg jump/stack right across from where you spawn, and there is a spawn at the side of the raider's obby.
I could do Fort Fang stuff and show you how you're wrong there, too.
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Vrix
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:30 PM |
Oh and what idiot tries to go through OUR group door? Its like 4 jumps less.
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:30 PM |
>Every Vaktovian Is Lemons
YOU'RE WELCOME.
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:31 PM |
-Royal Guard:
I used to abuse that all day, so did everyone else.
-Weapons
Already stated that.
-ATAC
You can simply regen it again.
Spawns
Adressed the first, the second can be used, but you have a 1 in 5 chance of spawning there.
============ As far as Fang goes, I also have to say that JC does not have the best troops, other than GJ and perhaps some members of IG, making it all that much easier. |
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:31 PM |
Your honest description on Celeste? Also, I have to disagree with your criticism of the M16. I win raids using only that gun.
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:31 PM |
| It is. That is why the ATAC is a last resort, and any idiot who uses it without a logical reason gets demoted. |
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:32 PM |
>Oh and what idiot tries to go through OUR group door? Its like 4 jumps less.
The VAK group door is on the left side of the base, closer to raiders. What I meant to say by raiders cannot go through it, is at Fang, raiders can go through the door, if JC opens it first. |
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:33 PM |
@M16 guy:
I hate the M16, it breaks my welds. qq
@ATACLastResort
Alright, but I still feel as if the group door is not nessasary. |
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:33 PM |
"Destroyable, used in like 1:19 situations, and exploiters"
Every single time I have ever been at SMO since I started playing actively, be it on a spy, an alt, or during the 2 joke raids has the ATAC been used.
Either your claim is bogus or we're very unlucky. |
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:33 PM |
You can stack anywhere, and if the guy does regen it then you have a few seconds grace to rush to the wall and stack. Oh and the weapons issue isnt even an issue. And I barely see anyone use chain guns at SMO.
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:34 PM |
CT I just think that when RAT goes into a server VAK kills them in the funnest way possible.
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:35 PM |
This is biased.
If you were in VAK you would've said the SMO "unfair advantages" lightly, and the JC "unfair advantages" harshly, like you did with VAK instead of JC.
Iᴛ ᴀɪɴᴛ ᴇᴀsʏ, ʙᴇɪɴɢ Cʜᴇᴇsᴇʏ. [CheeseyMacral 3 day'd] |
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:35 PM |
As far as the stacking anywhere goes, it's quite hard to muster a force to stack before you're dead, due to the close spawn of VAK. Another fact is that some pending VAC teamkill on the raiders team, making it even harder.
Even with that grace, you still have to deal with that.
If you eggjump, you are most likely to be shot down by a sniper, which is normally frequent.
As far as the minigun issue goes, I didn't make it that big of a point, considering the majority of the RG (as I stated) does not patrol often. |
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:36 PM |
@ tintyn
Crak = ex-VAK.
Yeah, he's totally biased.
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| 14 Jul 2012 09:36 PM |
I have a name, and the M16 only breaks if you switch from or to the Uzi with it. And I still want your honest description of Celeste II.
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